BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: AMERICA’S MASS KILLINGS:

Indeed it has. It's easy for someone to roll their eyes when they don't have any facts or logic to back up their position, isn't it?

 

Vegas Giants does not really care what firearm is present in the homes the People of Switzerland, he promotes Gun Control as part of his idea of what makes people "Safe" ... although
Vegas Giants has proved by his comments that he is more interested in promoting Gun Control over Public Safety.

The difference between an AK varient and any other Arm is likely not very important to him.

 

Take guns away from citizens and a dictator is what you may get friend.

 

gun banners really aren't about public safety. Its all about the fact that once the democrat party tried to use gun control as a facade to stave off the claims (in the 60s) that the dems were coddling black street criminals , the NRA objected to the phony claim that gun control controlled criminals The NRA started voting against the charade and that cost mostly Democrats votes and elections. As a result, the left launched a jihad against the NRA and us avid gun rights voters.

Gun control right now is based on two ideas

1) to pander to law wattage hand wringing sheeple who scream for instant solutions every time there is a well publicized shooting

2) to try to make legal gun ownership too much a hassle for many people and thus kill off the NRA and other pro gun rights organizations

 

Well, I blame the criminal element in society, gangs, drug addicts, thieves, drug dealers, or people otherwise involved with illegal activities. Sometimes a person is just insane and snaps and kills people. It's been done with cars and other every day items as well. The problem is with the people and not the tool the person chooses to do his bidding. Also, America is more diverse and heavily populated than most other countries. We also have some problems with Mexican problems spilling over our borders.

 

yes we know you want the European gun bans and no that is not enforceable. Europe doesn't have background checks for private sales (which you dishonestly claim is all you want) they Don't allow private sales for the most part. What they do is require expensive and time wasting licenses, bans on all sorts of guns, memberships in expensive gun clubs etc in order to own guns. That is what you want even if you deny it

 

I've never seen the NRA "glorify violence." NEVER. I have seen Hollywood glorify violence though. Perhaps that is one reason for our "violent culture" here in the US?

 

The fact of the matter is that guns have been a very important part of American culture since the founding of this country, whereas problems with "mass shootings," and school shootings and what have you are relatively new problems. Let's look at when these problems really started to begin. That might lead us somewhere.

 

We already heard about your desire for gun bans. I don't agree with them but you are entitled to your opinion

 

No. Public safety is the most important thing. And if guns made us safer we would be the safest country on earth. LOL

 

For what it's worth.

Going Postal, Pre-Pistol
How did mass murderers operate before the advent of modern weapons?
By Brian Palmer



In the 1800s, a French man killed three people with a bill hook.

Photograph by Dave White/Thinkstock.

The shooting spree that killed 12 people in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater on Friday has sparked a public debate about the availability of automatic weapons. Gun control advocates argue that mass murder is exceedingly difficult without them. One source told the Washington Post, “It’s kind of hard to be a pseudo-commando with a musket in the 18th century.” How did people commit mass murder before the advent of automatic weapons?


Often with fire. Revolutionary War veteran Barnett Davenport is widely considered the first mass murderer in U.S. history. On the evening of Feb. 3, 1780, Davenport burst into the bedroom of his employer, Caleb Mallory, and began to bludgeon Mallory and his wife with a club. When the club broke in two, Davenport beat the couple to death with Mallory’s gun. If Davenport had stopped there, he would be remembered as just an ordinary killer; most criminologists define mass murder as the killing of at least three people in a single incident. After beating the Mallorys to death, however, Davenport burned the house down, killing their three grandchildren.

Hundreds of other mass murderers have perpetrated their crimes without automatic firearms. Frenchman Pierre Riviere killed his mother, sister, and brother with a bill hook in 1835. In 1932, Julian Marcelino, a Filipino immigrant of relatively small stature, managed to kill six and wound 15 on a Seattle street using only a pair of blades. In 1915, Monroe Phillips shot seven dead and wounded 32 with a shotgun in Georgia.

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

The U.S. mass murder rate does not seem to rise or fall with the availability of automatic weapons. It reached its highest level in 1929, when fully automatic firearms were expensive and mostly limited to soldiers and organized criminals. The rate dipped in the mid-1930s, staying relatively low before surging again in the 1970s through 1990s. Some criminologists attribute the late-century spike to the potential for instant notoriety: Beginning with Charles Whitman’s 1966 shooting spree from atop a University of Texas tower, mass murderers became household names. Others point out that the mass murder rate fairly closely tracks the overall homicide rate. In the 2000s, for example, both the mass murder and the homicide rates dropped to their lowest levels since the 1960s.

A mass murderer’s weapon of choice depends somewhat on his victims. Attacks with guns, fire, knives, and bare hands are far more likely to be directed against family and acquaintances than total strangers, while mass murderers prefer to use explosives against people they don’t know. Also of note: Those who use firearms in a killing spree turn the gun on themselves 34 percent of the time, while only 9 percent of mass-murdering arsonists take their own lives.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...it_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

 

This is the goal of the anti-gun left - the state's monopoly on force.

 

The shooting in Aurora CO did not involve automatic weapons.
SO much ignorance....

 

why do you keep repeating that silly lie? are you a gun banner given you spend thousands of posts each month howling about the need for "background checks" to prevent the very rare cases of private citizens unknowingly selling guns to felons

For those who don't understand vegas's idiotic claims about me-here it is

ON ANOTHER BOARD-I said STATE GOVERNMENTS can legally ban violent felons from owning firearms while they are incarcerated or in some cases, after they are no long in prison. From that, vegas started claiming I am a "gun banner"

He also denied that he is a gun banner even though he supports

1) banning all felons from owning any firearm

2) the federal government forcing registration on every honest gun owner

3) forcing honest gun owners to conduct background checks to prevent felons from buying guns from them

4) English and Japanese gun bans-laws he claims are "effective" and "Make those countries safer"

so tell me, why would he deny being a gun banner, while claiming I am?

 

"slate.com"

 

we sure are safer from the government murdering us compared to places where the citizens or large groups of citizens were disarmed

Nazi Germany
Stalinist Russia
Mao's China
Armenians in the Ottoman Empire
Intellectuals in Cambodia under Pol Pot
The massacres in the former Yugoslavia
Ethnic Cleansing and Tribal Genocide in Central Africa
Idi Amin and Macias genocides in Uganda and Equatorial Guinea


all cases where governments disarmed large numbers of people and then exterminated them

 

this thread is a riot

 

Most due to the trolls and those who do not realize they have little of substance to add to the discussion.

 

Indeed.
As soon as you see someone talking about automatic weapons and mass shootings in the US, there's not a lot of reason to take them seriously.

 

If that is the best you can compare us to we are in really bad shape

 

Its ok. You have the right to take a position that you want to ban guns. I do not agree with it but you do have the right to that opinion.

 

why do you constantly deny being a gun banner yet call me a gun banner when you claim the federal government and state government have the power to prevent any felon from owing guns while I merely admit that state governments can ban SOME felons?

 

My point, proven.
Well done.