Myanmar ethnic cleansing half a million Muslim.. why is everybody quiet ??

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  1. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    @notme I think we should expulse muslims of Europe because muslims plan to kill every non muslims in Europe, that's a reason good enough to expulse them.
     
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    Self defense is not a war and Muslims killing Muslims is certainly nothing new as they have been doing so for hundreds of years. This most recent incarnation is simply displayed more completely in the digital/information age.
     
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    It has NOTHING to do with myanmar.

    How about you quote me on it. You're just talking crap at me, since you admitted you support war criminal thugs.

    Not without a credible source.

    Guilty by association.... it the most stupidest argument ever. A total fail.

    I quoted YOUR text and put in red exactly where it is about defending. lol

    It clearly says... that they may only fight, if they get attacked.
    That's what you get when you quote around from hate sites.
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    I know you support ethnic cleansing like the best of fascists.
     
  5. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    It is a war. And besides that, all kinds of Muslims go fight in armies of their sharia inspired nations to fight ISIS abroad. It's not just Iraq. Its Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait...etc etc.

    You're just trying to whine your way about your dumb ass comment that they don't object to ISIS, while they rage a massive war against it.
     
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    By the way, it have everything to do with myanmar. Muslims in that region of the world have shown they're ready to do the same Hitler did in the jews. They didn't reached yet the same number of victims, but they already reached the half. You just have to open the quran to know the truth of Islam.


    I don't support murder of muslims, I support expulsion of muslims, it's different.


    But I already quoted many credible sources, Al Jazeera, the biggest channel of the arabic world, the holy quran, the book that every muslims love order muslims to kill non muslims.


    I don't say they're guilty of that genocide, I say that show how violent are the muslims of this region. Y


    Quran.com is a
    It say only to not attack them first when you're close of the sacred mosque, elsewhere they can attack first wherever they want. Furthermore it's written :
    Quran (8:39) And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah .

    It doesn't say to fight to defend yourself, it say to fight until the religion, all of it, is for Allah. The quote is from the hate site "quran.com".
    It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. Quran, 48 28
     
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    I guess, you will explain me that this verse mean you should besiege people "defensively" and then that the companions of Muhammed, his friends attacked Egypt and "defensively"/

    Surate 9 : 5
    wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    I quote the quran now systematically from the website Quran.com, a website down by muslims for muslims, probably people ignorant of Islam.
     
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    You got zero proof of that.

    You support war criminal thugs, since expulsion is a war crime.

    In this case you did not source from al Jazeera.

    You claimed the Rohingya did their fair share. And you failed to prove it.
    It simply is 99% Bhuddist regime who does the massacring, raping, and ethnic cleansing.
    And you dishonestly attempt to put the full blame on the victims.

    Who is "them" and what is meant with "fitnah"?

    You previously quoted text that it obviously was totally about self defense.
    And even when I pointed it out in red, you dumbly insisted it was not. lol
     
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    who is them?

    How is this explained with THE VERY NEXT LINE:
    9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.


    Please explain
     
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    O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

    9:111
    Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

    9:123
    O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
     
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    Homeland?
    Next time you will tell me Germany is the homeland of millions of Turks and they have the right to claim the land. Isn't that right?
    What about Spain? It was Muslims "homeland" (loot, to b precise) for 800 years, so yeah, lets take it back from the filthy infidels, huh?
     
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    It is their homeland
     
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    No.

    The huge differences is that they did that without any proves. Egypt and all north africa was christian before, Istanbul was a christian city, Afghanistan and Pakistan were buddhist. Muslims comited many genocides recently, in eastern timor, in Bangladesh, in Iraq and Syria. When you open the book of muslims, it command muslims to kill, when you look at the reality, muslims kill the minorities.

    Yes but the author gave the phrase in arabic under the video so people can check with google translate. Furthermore I know many former muslims who speak perfectly arabic for learning that when they were child.

    Muslims aren't civilian, they're soldiers in disguise, ready to show their real face at any moment.

    Yes, the self defences who brought the companions of Muhammed in Egypt. Strange "self defense" who looks like strangely like an invasion.

    First, for a muslim, someone who slighty criticize islam is considered hostile. Muhammed made assassinate many poets who criticized him. That's why muslims killed Charlie Hebdo staff.


    The fight continue until the religion is all to allah. Furthermore, you translate fitna by "distress" which is far to be the main translation. You just use a term you prefer.



    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

    This is defensive ? It say fight until they give the jizyah, fight until the religion is all for allah, and you pretend that it's "defensive" ?

    The protection you speak about is racket and being dominated, the protection you speak about is submitting to a muslim governement.

    The jizyah is not a regular taxe. It's the tax non muslims pay to muslims.

    Yes, you're right, they must convert, kill or make pay the jizya to all non believers. An extremly important difference.
     
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    Yeah. The Turkish "gastarbeiters" live in Germany for 50+ years, 3 or 4 generations already. Is Germany their homeland too?
     
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    Numerous medical agencies have treated women and girls as young as 13 who have been raped by Burmese soldiers.
     
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    The leader of Burmese army should be arrested and go to the Hague tribunal if they move in another country. Muslim should be expelled, not mistreated.
     
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    ^^
    no command to kill

    ^^
    fight those adjacent to you = jewish tribe who lived in Medina who betrayed Mohammed.
    It's a defensive thing

    https://discover-the-truth.com/2014...those-of-the-unbelievers-who-are-near-to-you/
     
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    What christians? We do not live under a theocracy. Stop acting like we do. Our foreign policy has nothing to do with christianity. The pope does not structure our foreign policy, and our neocon foreign policy from the New American Century was created by more jews than christians. I doubt you will find many christians in DC. You might find people who claim they are, but live and govern like satan.

    In fact our foreign policy is the most unchristian like policy ever devised. It is driven by the greed of a few, as layed out in War is a Racket. A greedy christian does not exist. They would be fakes.

    If you think the US gov't is christian, you are badly mistaken. A christian driven gov't would never have taken prayer out of public schools. We live under oligarchy, and that can never be christian.
     
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    4 generations in like 50 years? HOW? lol

    And in this case, the Muslim community in Myanmar is not a gastarbeiter or just been there for 50 years. The thing is, nobody got a clue how long the Rohingya have lived in that region. But they are guessing 1100 years. That is "a bit" longer than any white nosed American citizen.
     
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    Oh, right; when a few people claiming to be muslims do bad things, they represent all of islam, but when a truckload of people claiming to be christians do bad things, they're just individuals wrongly claiming to be christians?

    That is a fantastic double standard.
     
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    Worse? Then your muslim bias has destroyed critical thinking. I am none of those religions. My views are not therefore corrupted, or not as apt to be.

    But understand, I think what we have seen from muslims is blow back, for meddling in what we have no business to meddle in. I say, leave those cultures alone and let him kill one another out over their different sects. We stirred up a hornet's nest by our meddling in the middle east, acting like an evil empire, and having sunni allies which means we must be anti shiite. I understand why some muslims are coming after us, for if the shoe was on the other foot, we would already have destroyed all of them by now. And not given a damn about what the rest of the world thought about it. As Ron Paul says, all of this is blow back and only a fool is too stupid to understand it. And america is filled with fools, brainwashed by propaganda, and filled with people who have a sense of hypocritical entitlement, that we are not subject to international law.

    If not for the oil, the middle east and islam would be isolated and we would not care that they want to live in an 8th century mindset. And the rest of the world would just move on into modernity. We should have had enough sense not to invite a backward religion and culture into the West. These people live the best when they remain where they are, and allowed to remain in their own culture. For they are like oil and water when one tries to mix them in with a modern secular west. And this is one of a few cultures which will never assimilate, for assimilation is against their religion. A religious muslim is much more religious than a religious christian. Christianity long ago reformed enough to live in a modern world. They can separate their religious beliefs, from secular modernity, and not want a crusade against non believers and savages. And this is good, for otherwise, given the military power of the west, it would not fair well for muslims. So thank god for the reform. Otherwise Islam would only be seen in history books.
     
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    A truckload of christians, doing bad things? Where? You be sure and tell me when the next congregation of a church, goes on a rampage in the name of god, killing people. Your double standard is a fantasy. Hell, if a church here did what radical muslims do, it would receive 24/7 news coverage, for a year. It is what MSM would love to report on, with glee.

    Truth is, christianity today does not enable such a thing, and killing infidels is not what christianity does. And if some christian murdered people in the name of god, that act negates christianity, which cannot be said of Islam. No where did christ tell us to murder non believers. And christians, the various churches would speak out in a big way over such things.

    You are creating a reality in your mind that does not exist. So you can claim a double standard. But you need facts for your double standard. We do not have christian groups dying for god as they murder. It is not christian belief nor doctrine. But christianity once did these things. They were similar to Islam back then. And were because of this, the world's most dangerous religion. Once they reformed, that left Islam as the world's most dangerous religion. At least certain parts of it. Mostly sunnis.
     
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    Bush tried to make it a religious war, he even slipped once and called it a "Crusade"

    "Iraq war briefings headlined with biblical quotes"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/18/rumsfeld-gq-iraq-bible-quotes-bush

    Obama ended this practice in 2009

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30814527/ns/us_news-military/t/pentagon-briefings-no-longer-quote-bible/

    "WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said Monday it no longer includes a Bible quote on the cover page of daily intelligence briefings it sends to the White House as was practice during the Bush administration."

    most Christians in the USA are smart to keep religion out of government, as then religion can't be blamed... no one ever claimed Bush was smart though
     
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    I don't doubt that Bush should go into a tribunal. I was just saying that a part of the victims in the iraq war were not totally caused by the american intervention but because of the 1000 YO conflict between Shia and Sunni muslims.
     
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