Unlike the President, most Americans know NFL kneelers aren't protesting the flag

My MIL’s brother died a POW after the Bataan Death March. My Sunday school teacher spent 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton. I’m pretty sure he voted for Trump.

 

Oh, you can have any opinion you want to have. Please, by all means, regugitage Faux news all day long for all I care.

LOL

Really, you can even have a totally overinflated opinion of yourself and it will just go right past me...

 

Indeed, you have made a very good point about this (numbers)
But be careful about jumping at the gun too quickly.
Just sayin'.... cuz what goes up usually comes back down.

In other words, numbers over the long haul, not just a couple of weeks where our Twitter-Troll-President suddenly turned the NFL into a boogeman.

LOL

 

You’re assuming something you have no way of proving.

 

Thanks

I'm really very modest about my superior intellect and about the great value of my opinions.

 

Work harder on that modesty, nööööö

 

This post almost sounds like a Freudian slip.....

 

That liberals are obsessed with race? The only other's I know of that are as obsessed are the KKK.

 

holly crap did you even look at the party affiliation sampling of this poll before you posted it?
you should be ashamed to post such a blatantly slanted skewed poll
57% democrat 33% Independent and only 12% republican
you really cant be serious to believe anyone would think a poll that skewed is in anyway credible

 

No, that both sides are obsessed with race. Some openly, others more subliminally.

 

Meanwhile, Al Sharpton claims the owners are all racist because they came together to make the players stand for the country's National Anthem. And Kaepernick hired a lawyer to file a grievance against the NFL for not signing him, LOL! The NFL is getting hated on from all sides and it started with one of the most privileged black guys in the country claiming he's kneeling due to oppression. The liberal coddling and PC is coming full circle and biting them in their own ass.

 

Oh, I can't wait to hear your argument on this, if you have the time.

Did Trump actively promote the theory that Obama was not born in America? Or was that theory not born of racism?

Did Trump call mexicans rapists and murderers during his initial campaign event? Or does that get excused because it is the "truth" in that there are mexicans who are also rapists and murderers?

Did Trump call an American born judge inherently biased because of his mexican heritage? Or does that not count as racism when you claim that someone possess an inherent trait solely by virtue of where their parents were born?

Did Trump attack a gold star family and imply that the wife was not allowed to speak? Or does that not count as extremely obtuse and bigoted belief system?

Did Trump refuse to condemn David Duke because he "didn't know the man" and still "did not know the man" after being pointed specifically to David Duke of the KKK? Or does that lack of condemnation not count as permission towards white supremacy when David Duke said that Charlottesville is the result of the President we elected?

Did Trump call for a ban of all muslims? Seriously - how in the holy **** is that a belief system not born out of bigotry and racism?

Did Trump hire and actively promote members of the alt-right and white supremacists like Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, and Steve Miller?

And did Trump say that there were some "very fine people" on both sides (i.e. that would include the Neo-Nazi side) of the Charlottesville?

 

A blanket and naked denial does not count as a strong argument.

 

Where have you been for the past several decades when Trump was hiring minorities? Why weren't you crying then? It's not like he was unknown.

 

The NFL voluntarily gave up its non-profit status in 2015.

 

You mean undocumented workers like Polish construction workers or brown people to work in his resorts.

 

That is factually inaccurate. Here is a link to the data.

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPNFLKneelingProtests20171010.pdf

You appear to be quoting the breakdown of the people who found the flag kneeling appropriate.

I could just as easily (and idiotically) quote the breakdown of the people who found that the flag kneeling was inappropriate and say that this poll was skewed in a way that was 85% Republican, 46% independent, and only 25% Democrat!

 

Trump was called a racist loooong before he ran for office.

 

I am no fan of players who kneel but I am just speaking from a legal standpoint, and the facts are:

1) The Game Operations Manual states:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking.

Legally speaking, "should" paints a very vague picture as to whether or not an action is mandatory. Generally speaking, courts have ruled that "should" means an action is indeed optional. That's why laws are generally written using words like "mandatory" and "prohibited," not "should."

2) The players most certainly do have an appeal for any fine or suspension resulting from something they did not collectively agree to.

 

It's pretty hard to hold a rational discussion when it's based on falsehoods.

 

That's not the point. I don't think many believed they were "protest the flag" ala the protest against the Confederate flag. In even back in It is the disrespect for the flag and the anthem to be protesting anything during those ceremonies. And 49 to 36 percent still say they are unappropriate.

 

See post 189.

 

That is a valid point, but I would note that - almost by definition - any protest is "inappropriate" because you are doing something that goes against the cultural or political norms of the society. The majority of society did not find the Berkeley Vietnam Protests or the MLK sit-in protests to be appropriate either.

 

You have to be STAGGERINGLY IGNORANT (and/or racist) to actually believe people are kneeling in protest of the flag.

That would be so incredibly stupid it is almost frightening to think large numbers of Americans could be that monumentally 'challenged'.