Firearms amnesty as UK gun crime rises 27% this year

Yes, gun crime surged after the gun ban. So did crime generally.

“According to a new victimisation survey of industrialised nations, people in England and Wales are at greater risk than anywhere else of having a car stolen. And apart from Australia, people who live in England and Wales are at greater risk of being assaulted, robbed, sexually attacked and having their homes burgled than are people in any other rich country.”
The Economist, A nation of criminals, Feb 22nd 2001.
http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=513031

More Gun Control = More Crime Victims

 

Yep.

It did twice.

In 1968 after the gun ban it went up, then it went up again in 1997 (think that's right) after the next gun ban, to hit a 100 year high.

 

A 2001 article ...... really ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/24/crime-rate-england-wales-falls-lowest-level-33-years

 

Yet it has decreased massively from its already very low level. We have a lethal shooting rate some 40 + times lower than the US and as a consequence a murder rate of around a fifth.

No rational democratic nation on Earth would want to emulate the US model of gun control. Any politician that did advocate it would face instant electoral oblivion .... and rightly so

 

5 years after the gun ban. Think.

 

I 'think' you need to look at the OCP figures between 2001 and today which show a two thirds drop in gun deaths over that period.

 

How can gun crime ever double after guns are banned?

“London gun crime rises as shootings nearly double
Teenage boys with cheap guns involved in 'respect shootings' to blame for increase, say experts”, Guardian, London gun crime rises as shootings nearly double”. Sandra Laville, Guardian, Last modified on Friday 8 January 201621.47 EST
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-shootings-rise

 

Do you read your own newspapers?

“Parts of Britain are becoming as 'scary' as American gangland cities, The Kinks frontman has warned…. 'It is disturbing how it is now on the increase, even in my home area of Muswell Hill,’”, By ROSIE TAYLOR FOR THE DAILY MAIL, PUBLISHED: 19:25 EST, 6 October 2013.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...inks-singer-Ray-Davies-says-attacks-rise.html

 

I suspect that the firearms turned in will be destroyed so it saddens me to think of the countless collectors pieces that will go into the melting pot.
It was just a matter of decades ago that the UK was desperate for American firearms (WW2) & now those old 1911s & M1 Garands are going to be trashed.

 

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

People who defend guns should be apologetic.

 

I own guns. I've never apologized for one before. They have never done anything I didn't ask them to do.

 

People that attack rights and simple mechanical devices tend to be apoplectic.

 

Wow! Who needs official figures when we have a Daily Mail 2013 opinion piece from Ray Davies the Kinks frontmans on hand .

Here is what was actually happening nationwide that year

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/24/crime-rate-england-wales-falls-lowest-level-33-years

 

Just photograph them all for posterity then and be thankful that they will never be used to take another life. Thats how civilised people in the rest of the developed world would react to this.

Shedding tears for the destruction of lethal weaponry is a bizarre US centric phenomenon

 

Given that being in a public place with a water pistol counts as gun crime in the UK, I think it's safe to say you can ignore these figures entirely

1911's have never been in demand in the UK. Handguns were exceptionally rare even before they banned them 30 years ago.

Garand's used to get converted into air rifles a few decades ago

UK isn't a big gun culture.
Banning things very few people own is politically easy.

 

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I've been arrested for playing Lasertag. ("where is the ammo kept?" Said PC Luke Skywalker)


On a seperate occasion I had my entire toy gun collection confiscated from a friends house. The nieghbours had complained.

While travelling to a nightclub, my friends played poker in the back of the van. Cheating was called and a water pistol held to to the head of the accused.
Motor way closed off, armed response initiated.


Because replica guns can be used to intimidate, the law allows you to be arrested for owning toy guns.
And this regularly occurs .

London gang arrested for having a flare pistol and a broken flintlock. (but no ammo) Big Sky news exclusive!!!
Storm in a teacup.

1 in every 15,000 gun owners has an "incident" according to my firearms inspector.

 

Its great to live in a culture where such violent obsessions dont dominate the lives of so many. Having lived in the States for a couple of years in the late 80s I know whereof I speak

Being so frightened of one another that we would choose to go out locked and loaded for fear of an attack so threatening that it would require an instant lethal response is pretty paranoid way to be frankly. Its consequences are written in the blood of over 80 US citizens per day and 1.5 million of them in the last 50 years. More than in all the wars the US has fought since its creation

 

I've been in those situations and not all paranoia is unjustified.If yanks want to kill each other that is their affair.

I do believe that most gun deaths are domestic in nature.
Domestic violence and not fear of crime.

Fear of crime can be very real and I have lived that life. After ten years of trying everything....I eventually resolved it at gun point. Good. Job done.

 

So, you read the Guardian?

“London gun crime rises as shootings nearly double
Teenage boys with cheap guns involved in 'respect shootings' to blame for increase, say experts”, Guardian, London gun crime rises as shootings nearly double”. Sandra Laville, Guardian, Last modified on Friday 8 January 201621.47 EST
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-shootings-rise

Again - how can gun crime ever surge *after* guns have been banned?

 

Those that legally carry are not racking up the stats that you refer to. You have confused the law abiding with criminals.

 

As a firearms collector & blacksmith who makes varied artifacts out of steel, I have a special appreciation for the older, wood & steel, finely machined firearms like the German Luger, Borchardt C-93 and some of the earlier semi auto prototypes.
Every older firearm is not only a thing that kills but also a piece of history with a story to tell.

I can only hope that whoever is overseeing the collection & disposal of firearms in the UK has enough sense to preserve the museum pieces for generations to appreciate.

 

How can shootings double with just replica guns or water guns?

 

Sacrificing things of value is the kind of phony show usually associated with religious fanatics and fascists.