Progress is inevitable.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    And "they" would be correct when it comes to the racist white supremacists who are gullible enough to believe that dishonest alt right IQ drivel that they use to boost their low self esteem because it fits their confirmation bias.
     
  2. Brewskier

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    Yeah, those racist IQ tests created by whites that somehow Asians and Jews score the highest on. Those tests, right?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Those results prove that it takes actual intelligence to comprehend why IQ tests are NOT any measure of intelligence.
     
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    So you’re saying Asians and Jews are not smart?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you are proselytizing, I have no intent of converting to Judaism.
     
  6. rahl

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    why do you insist on embarrassing yourself by repeating this lie you've been called on a 100 times?
     
  7. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    You don’t need to be practicing the religion. Ethnic Jews are accepted based on their ancestry even if they are atheists.
     
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    We are a Republic with democratic processes, and those who don't like that fact just have nothing of worth to offer on the point.
     
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    Irony, and unresponsive. The term "conservative," and to a lesser extent "liberal," is only useful in the NOW to distinguish political campaigns in the NOW. Spencer makes this quite clear, and not surprised you didn't watch, read or comment on his sagacious commentary. No leftist here ever does when I link it... which is part and parcel of leftist general ignorance and lack of meaningful political awareness.

    Here's just one among many possible examples. The suffragettes, who campaigned for women's voting rights, were overwhelmingly socially conservatives of the middle and upper middle classes. They wanted the vote primarily to vote for prohibition and for laws outlawing prostitution, even sexual promiscuity. So were they "conservative?" or "liberal?" They were neither, because the words are "category" words, useful only as shorthand in the -now-.

    There is no political philosophy known as "conservatism," and none known as "liberalism" in any kind of legitimate study of political history. Certainly no "progressivism." This is because people who study political history see the limitations of such generalizing, imprecise words right off the bat, and so avoid them.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be pretending that I am Jewish for some inexplicable reason. What might that be?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you enjoy your Spencer and his discredited notions, that's fine.

    The democratization of society, greater inclusiveness in achieving equal rights - voting among those rights - continues despite the inevitable conservative opposition that always arises.

    Expect the historical record of ineluctable progress to advance considerably in November.
     
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    Gosh .. it's like talking to a child.

    You're still equating a word which simply means 'forward momentum', with your personal political ideology. It's like hijacking the word "AWESOME" for the sole purpose of describing a preference for strawberry flavoured ice-cream.

    How is it that you are unable to grasp that progress merely means forward movement? It says NOTHING at all about the flavour of that forward movement. You are imbuing the word with meaning which is not there - the actions of a rabid ideologue.
     
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    O.M.G

    So you've decided that your personal pet theories are the right ones for all of mankind, for the entirety of mankind's future. And those theories just HAPPEN to be the pet politics of the latter 20thC. Talk about being an arch conservative! You love that 1969 thang and you want the world to stay still, right there, forever!
     
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    And you're still doing it. Equating a word which simply means forward momentum, with 1969 politics.

    No, those things have NOT always been the 'hallmarks of progress'. They were so only in recent decades.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You're still confused.

    As an historiographic term "progress" denotes improvement over time in regard to science, technology, medicine, health, longevity, quality of life, etc.

    Social
    progress - in our current context - means change in a democratic direction. That is characterized by equality and inclusivity.

    Conservatives have inevitably opposed such progress - Americans achieving independent nationhood with representation, slaves achieving freedom and equal rights, women achieving the right to vote, same-sex couples having the same marriage contract rights - all instances of vehement conservative opposition being overcome.

    Thus progress - greater equality and inclusivity - ineluctably advances.
     
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    Through to ages we have experienced reversals and alternating theories and practices of government.
    This simply illustrates that humanity does not progress in a straight line, but does march inexorably toward liberal democracy that favors inclusion, personal freedom, equality, and interdependence. This natural order far transcends any political, philosophical, or religious ideology that crosses its path.
     
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    Completely unresponsive. Not surprised.
     
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    This, exactly. Our Proggy friends think the word 'progress' means "stuff I like, this minute". It's like trying to discuss quantum physics with puppies.
     
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    It is NOT a natural flipping order! It's merely what you've seen in your lifetime.

    In a hundred years, flaming conservatism might be the most progressive idea. How are you folk so utterly oblivious of the bigger picture?
     
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    For the tenth time, the word "progress" says nothing whatsoever about any brand of politics, or philosophical school, or pet theories. It SIMPLY means a forward momentum (in this case, in the human condition).

    Not you, nor I, nor anyone alive today, can possibly even guess at what KIND of progress will advance the human condition in the future. Romanise Europe was liberal, yet followed by the Dark Ages. We went from the Age of Enlightenment, to Victorian arch conservatism. Swings and roundabouts.
     
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    So you equate social progress with race. Gee, what a surprise.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually his important themes were about totalitarian government and they come in many flavors from fascist to commie.

    Its the institutions of democracy that prevent such a government arising, not a bunch of good ol' boys with long guns.
     
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    I'm still waiting for women in general to figure out that those who promote Progressive ideology are intent on producing a male dominated elite social class.

    White women are manipulated just as easily as the women of any other race or ethnic identity.
     
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    No point trying to take the word "progressive" back from proggies :)

    Just let them call themselves that. It'll make being reactionary a good thing.
     
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    It is OUR natural order. The sum of human knowledge doubles every 13 months. That knowledge shapes our civilization. Growth and productivity are fundamental to our economic systems. That's the bigger picture I see.
     

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