Pope says a hell doesn’t exist

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Does a hell exist?

  1. Yes, a hell exists - so Francis is dead wrong about this.

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  2. No, a hell doesn't exist - so Francis got this right.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    "God is love"!? Are you freakin' kidding me!? In the Bible that complete psycho not only committed GENOCIDE on almost all humans, but also committed genocide on almost all (innocent) ANIMALS! Water-boarding almost all animals. A complet psycho. Not worthy of anyone's worship - only their disdain.
     
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    No, I don't fear death, because there is no, zero, zip, nada courtroom level of evidence that the "soul" (survives our death) even exists, and that "hell" exists. Zip. The Clergy, including former Poops of the Catholic Church (Benedict, etc.), are guilty of scaring people to get them to give money to their for-profit (for-prophet?) business. Disgusting.
     
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    Did Google get this wrong?
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    I can take anything if it's not some forced imaginary being that hates the humans it created...

    Nothing more light headed and silly then inventing something to make one feel better about one's self.
     
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    You continually seem to post comments showing that MANY religions, not just the one that I happen to be mentioning, are evil....I highly respect you for that, and you are absolutely correct.
    In a perfect world I'd mention many religions in each critique of religion. Yes, Islam is just as bad as the Bible.
     
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    We were dead the moment we were born. When god remakes the world and we are born again from the ashes we will know a better world. It is a gift. It was a gift and it will be the gift.
     
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    God doesn't HATE us he just KILLS us, as this evaluation of the many many many god-inspired deaths in the Bible shows: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gods_killings.html

    Their psycho invisible friend in the sky killed an estimated 25 MILLION people - many of them, such as babies, being completely innocent. Did HITLER even kill that many? Probably not, so their god is south of even Hitler on the morality scale.

    Ok, ok, if god KILLS us then yes, you are right, he probably HATES us as well.
     
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    A sane person would not "destroy" the world in order to "remake" it! Your god is evil. And if you follow an evil god, well then that makes YOU, well, uh, well you get the idea.
     
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    Tell the "pro-life" zealots.
     
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    And Frodo is real! REAL I tell you, REAL!!!
     
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    That was never specified by the buddha. This is the the effect of culture upon a philosophy. And it happened to christianity as well, a religion. Man cannot help but to add to religions and philosophies.

    But I admit that technically you are right. Women cannot hold the same positions in the organization as men. This seems to be a very old paradigm, regardless of whether it is religion, buddhism, or even different forms of gov't. Men rule. And always have except in very rare cases. Until really in recent history.

    So it looks like the reality of human is that the social structure has always been managed by males. Man is sexist, and it must be genetic, which means hard wired. I guess you could complain to god about it? lol Or mother nature. Or perhaps randomness and chance and what worked the best in our evolution. I would just not want to fu*k with mother nature. As you do. ha ha
     
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    You honestly beat me to it! Good post.

    If an aborted fetus automatically gets to their magic invisible place in the sky ("heaven"), like they believe, and avoids "hell", then why not abort most fetuses!? Jesus said that MOST people will NOT get to "heaven", so why risk it - abort away!!

    PS I'm not championing abortion, but rather pointing out intellectual inconsistency #4,843,247,756 in their religion's ridiculous texts.
     
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    Modern Secular Humanism is far superior to Buddhism then - time to leave Buddhism once and for all then, of course.
     
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    So Buddhism got it wrong, Islam got it wrong, and Christianity got it wrong, but Modern Secular Humanism gets it RIGHT, regarding women. I guess that Buddha, Allah/Mohammad, and God/Jesus were idiots then.
     
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    That's because it was assumed that women were inferior, so no NEED to specify it. Just like there is no NEED in our Constitution to say, for example, "Chimapanzees are not allowed to be President" - everybody just assumes that, just like Buddha and pals just assumed that women were inferior and could therefore never be Buddha.

    Have Buddhists been working hard to improve the actual texts of their belief system, or do they simply not care about women and their own mothers/daughters?
     
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    Uh, why couldn't he have done that with THIS world? I thought he was perfect, how did he screw up so badly?

    BTW, there's millions of people who had a life they really didn't consider a "gift".......can they RE-GIFT or return it to the manufacturer?
     
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    All the yelling gets you nowhere, atheists. You have the same rights as the believers. Be happy.
     
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    First, the Pope is not the "#1, and most respected, Christian in the world". Atheists and anti-religious people only say that when the Pope says something they like and they think tarnishes Christianity.

    Second, in Christian theology, Hell most certainly exists. The Pope is wrong if he claims there is no Hell. And if he does make such a claim, then he should be removed from office.
     
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    As far as clergy go he certainly is: http://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx

    We agree that he should be removed from office, though.
     
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    "Be happy"? We are in a never-ending religious war, the Crusaders vs. the Jihadists - so it's hard to "be happy"!
    They are battling it out over whose invisible friend in the sky is the real one - especially when you add in the Jewish/Palestinian(Muslim) Problem in the Middle East, then the world has been in turmoil for about 70 years.....all thanks to religion.
     
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    If there is a war between believers and atheists, the latter will lose.
     
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    I am not under the impression that this thread is about statements ex cathedra, but about the pope's personal opinion. The OP says nothing about official Catholic/Christian doctrine, just about the opinion of an influential Christian. It doesn't seem to me that the argument presented in the OP struggles from poor understanding of the office of the pontiff, and I reckon debates would be a lot more orderly if we address the arguments that are actually made, instead of second guessing further arguments poorly.
    The Catholic Church is under a lot of pressures. There are pressures to modernise, there are pressures to uphold the past, as well as many other pressures. The current pope is very popular and has I think succeeded in making the Catholic Church a force to be reckoned with in modern society. Of course there will be people disagreeing with the choice (it is rare to see any election of several viable options to result in no voters' regret) but I don't think more so than usual.
     
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    Since hell doesn't exist, according to the Pope, no. :rock_slayer:
     
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    What will atheists lose and how will they lose it?

    Do CHRISTIANS plan on killing us, too?
     

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