What is wrong with American traditions

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Suffering? How? The economy is better, my homes value is back above the crash, I'm making more money. That's not just me.
     
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    I hope they’re smart enough to know what socialism is..obviously you don’t
     
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    Did you say that when obama turned around the economy?
    The people who have their pensions in the market aren’t too happy .
    If the market keeps going down, your house value will be in the toilet,
     
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    I'm sure you don't. Socialism is best described by Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government." I'm also sure you believe "that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

    Tell me where I'm wrong.
     
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    The mean GDP growth rate never got over 2% (1.9%, .9% above another recession) during all 8 of Obama's years.

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    2009 to 2016 less than 2% mean GDP growth.

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    Trump so far. 2.5%.
     
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  6. Tim15856

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    Gee, I don't see anywhere on these charts where he turned anything around.
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    The answer is straight forward: because the Progressives subscribe to the Marxist thought that a successful takeover must rid the society of its history, as in the world starts today.
    (Sorry I was so slow to respond.)
     
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    Quick close those socialist schools and get rid Of the socialist cops and the socialist firefighters. Get rid of the socialist parks and mass transit Tell me about this full power of centralized government. Last I heard capitalism was alive and well. I have to assume you’re very rich if not you’re just getting screwed and saying thank you
    When somebody uses the term “intellectual elite” one knows it is someone threatened by educated people
     
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      • Your charts are so way off!

      • The economy gained a net 11.6 million jobs. The unemployment rate dropped to below the historical norm.
      • Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 4.1 percent after inflation. The gain was 3.7 percent for just production and nonsupervisory employees.
      • After-tax corporate profits also set records, as did stock prices. The S&P 500 index rose 166 percent.
    • The number of people lacking health insurance dropped by 15 million. Premiums rose, but more slowly than before.
    • The federal debt owed to the public rose 128 percent. Deficits were rising as Obama departed.
    • Home prices rose 20 percent. But the home ownership rate hit the lowest point in half a century.
    • Illegal immigration declined: The Border Patrol caught 35 percent fewer people trying to get into the U.S. from Mexico.
    • Wind and solar power increased 369 percent. Coal production declined 38 percent. Carbon emissions from burning fossil fuel dropped 11 percent.
    • Production of handguns rose 192 percent, to a record level.
    • The murder rate dropped to the lowest on record in 2014, then rose and finished at about the same rate as when Obama took office.
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    Those charts are correct, it just depends on what stats you are looking for. Many of the the stats in your chart are not a positive thing. As to a couple of other things you mentioned.

    The economy gained a net 11.6 million jobs.- 75% of those jobs are part time. Obama did a great job of turning full time jobs into multiple part time jobs.

    The number of people lacking health insurance dropped by 15 million- Yeah, force people to buy insurance or pay a penalty, real great way to claim that as a success.

    Production of handguns rose 192 percent, to a record level.- I'm really surprised that you are claiming this as a positive.

    Illegal immigration declined: The Border Patrol caught 35 percent fewer people trying to get into the U.S. from Mexico.- Sure, Obama started to tie the hands of ICE and the Border Patrol, so of course they caught fewer people.

    There are other things I could mention, but I'm not going to go point by point on all of it.
     
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    Times are changing ... in many ways! This is perfectly normal and is called History!
    One likes the past Hiostory and he / she mourns her ... but not the other and he / she is glad that it is "History".

    I know enough Christian men who are mourning the time before the emancipation of women after ... when the wife was still the little mistress at the hearth, which was only subservient to the household, the cooking of food and the education of children and submassive the husband's will followed and served him.... and I speack about the 1950's and earlier here!
     
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    You realize Obama worked for Annenberg don't you?
     
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    Conspiracy #3,476
     
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    75%of jobs were part time? That was debunked long ago....
    Yes, people who could see a dr and not have to die were grateful. What do you care about those who don’t have to die....what happened to the projected huge increase in premium ? It was ok when the private Insurance companies raised your premiums every year..now they’re trying to take away Medicare benefits
     
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    Anyone who has progressed into a first world nation and has an education vs indoctrination is targeted by these hateful intolerant bigots who love welfare ,blaming others for their problems and are mostly led by their genitals.
    Kind a like a female dog in heat no rules, no limits and no lasting relationships to speak of. Goals are to infect the minds with perversions of children as young as kindergarten with their agendas.
    It is radical racist haters on the left who promote beating on little children in 2nd grade like my 7 yr old great grand son because he is very white.
    Knocking people out and tearing up and destroying things they don't like.
    I was a freedom fighter in the 60s but had no idea what they would do to themselves and others once given too many "special" rights. Now they are killing each other, having babies without sane parents and majority are criminals or allies of criminals.
    I hope the ones who are not like them keep speaking out. A few minority are conservative but not enough yet.
    Personally I think they have already destroyed this nation with the help of NWO groups who control the mentally ill,especially those who hate their own kind.
     
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    Socialism is taking from those who work and deserve it to give to those who don't do either. Socialism is also ruled by oligarchs who use the insane to gain absolute power over all.
     
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    Exactly and who do we thank for this? Liberals who gave power to the elite who took it from all of us. Democrats are the richest people in congress wonder why that is?
    BTW I didn't vote fro any of them for past couple decades, I learned my lesson several wars ago.
     
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    If the United States are so bad, why are people willing to become criminals to come here??? Does Cuba have a criminal invasion problem?
     
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    Very well said.
     
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    Because they have billionaires here and abroad financing their trips and setting them up upon arrival. Plus we have been taken over by outside forces who want us weakened or destroyed. Americans and Euro Nations no longer control their nations and haven't for some time now.
     
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    As Tony Blair once said: the best way to determine how good or bad a country is, is to compare the number of people trying to get in to the number of people trying to get out.
     
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    I think this is so ridiculous and so bigoted.... we liberals promote beating white kids. Lol. Poor white kids, such victims. We are trying to get back lynching too,
    I don’t believe for one second you were a freedom fighter. You sound like an extremist rightwinger who has who has no idea what is being taught in school to kindergarteners...but you are scared to death thus easy to manipulate
     
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    The 7 richest senators...three dems and four republicans
    The right is beholden to big business and the NRA...they are easily bought
     
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    My opinion with facts, you have yours and I have mine. I have 6 great grands in school whos young minds are being perverted but that is their nations fault.
    Libs have no limits of who they will hurt.
     

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