What is wrong with American traditions

Classy. We don't live in a theocracy. We live in a country where religion is accepted and protected.

People with an agenda often guess about what other people mean.

You haven't lived in another country. That is obvious. Expecting government or country to make things better for you is not a plan for success. Your failure has been your own doing.

Picking out things you hate from history doesn't mean it is all that applies to that history. Hating your country will only make you more of a failure. The successful have become successful through hard work and personal responsibility. You should look up to them.

I couldn't find where the OP said he hated Saudi Arabia. I did find where you hate christianity.

No, it isn't creepy to most people. Most Americans don't hate their country like you do. North Korea has nothing to do with any of this discussion. We call that a red herring.

That is certainly a racist opinion. The purpose of all immigration laws in every country is to control who comes in to the country. The U.S. has the most lax immigration laws in the world. Well, I suppose things could be more lax in places like Yemen or Somalia. Let's just say that our laws are the most lax in the civilized world.[/quote]

 

Yeah, we don't live in a theocracy largely because of the efforts of blasphemers and heretics like me.

basic social awareness and familiarity with coded language is the same thing as having a shadowy agenda i guess

i don't really give a **** what's my own doing and what isn't honestly.

I'm not crazy about the nation state, but as long as it exists it ought to at least produce some side benefits. I mean, we can take them, so why not? There's no reason not to try to make life as comfortable and dignified as possible for future generations.

dear god this is pure ideology

do you just take issue with the concept of extrapolating from incomplete sets of data? because that's a pretty basic cognitive process. you should use it.

pledging daily allegiance to the eternal president isn't creepy to north koreans either. it's called an analogy. should i just go ahead and retread all of a middle school english course for you?

apparently it's racist to acknowledge that law enforcement in the USA was infiltrated by white supremacists decades ago, a fact that the FBI itself acknowledged and launched an investigation on

 

No I think it has more to do with the first amendment. It bans the concept of theocracy.

No, the agenda was bringing up gay rights where that was not mentioned in the OP.

You should be. You are responsible for how you live your life.

The main purpose of the state is to protect itself and its citizens from foreign powers and from themselves. Yes, you should try to live a comfortable and dignified life but it isn't role of goverbment to insure that for you.

My impression was that you don't believe in god.

No I take issue with saying someone said something when they didn't.

Analogies involve factual or logical comparisons. Saying that a pledge of allegiance is bad because a bad country does it is neither factual nor logical. It is like saying that eating cheese is bad because the Chinese don't eat cheese.

No, the racism involves detaining people for looking like a Mexican.

 

And then the parties switched and the GOP took up the anti-civil rights mantel

 

Lincoln freed the slaves ...the republicans became democrats
Civil rights passed, democrats became republicans, coincidence? I guess all the white supremacists are democrats today..right?

 

Democrats flat out lie to the country. That is the point. They did then and they do today. Lincoln did not wage war to free slaves. The war was 2 years old ahead of this worthless proclamation. It was symbolic. A lot of supremacists, yes the black ones, routinely vote for Democrats.

More than that, it was 1964 when the idea came to the Democrats, we lost the civil rights act discussion, we had the law shoved down our throat, so let's just take full credit for the civil rights act. And they lied then and are lying now.

 

That is not true.

 

Ok you win...all those white supremacists are democrats

 

Thank you even though I get your sarcasm. But Given we republicans always argue for maximum freedom, it is natural for Democrats to keep resisting. Black supremacists are ordinarily Democrats. I am sure you must agree.

One thing i do not like about Democrats is their party is a party where they want to put others down and they refuse to self examine their beliefs.

A belief that they have the right to take by force funds belonging to others and try to dedicate them for purposes of their choosing is a hallmark issue.

 

I hear you. I don't know about all that, but I'm listening.

 

What is a black supremacist? You mean they want America black? Do you even know what the term means?
Please stop being ridiculous and say democrats put others down....yes, we do out down homophobes, we do put down islamophobes, yes we do put down people who want to take away women’s freedoms....maybe you should examine your bigoted party....I guess you think there are some good neo nazis I should examine them more and see them as good people. We just have different values

 

I was in your bigoted party of racist supremacists and bailed out. After 42 years of age, it was time for me to grow up and get away from Democrats.

So, you know what a white supremacist is but not one who is black? Look around. They are all over. Does Louis Farrakhan seem to be one to you? A phobia is a fear. Who do you think fears homosexuals? Are you just the opposite and adore them?

Hitler tainted the Nazis. I saw what he did in Germany so know how evil he was. One never wants to be evil so he is not redeemable. But you must admit how admired he was by Democrats including FDR until he made war on the several nations near to his borders. Hitler was admired by FDR for the good FDR saw in his projects.

Post ww2, democrats have furiously tried to erase their delight for Hitler based on the outcome of the war.

 

Do you even know what a supremacist is? White supremacists want a white country..they believe in the inferiority of the black race. Is thT what black people Are asking for? White people are inferior? A Black Country? The nerve of them wanting equality in a country that has enslaved them nd segregated them throughout its history. But you keep defending the supremacists.....is thT why you became a Republican?
If you educate yourself you would find that the phobia has two roots m
extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
I am not the one with the aversion to gay people, or Muslims, or Immigrants . Why would you think I adore them? Because fight for their dignity? Because I don’t think Mexicans are rapists?(that’s the fear side)
Liberals aren’t delighted with hitler...what a trumplkke statement. You should be afraid of trump because he is using so many of Hitler’s tactics . Attacking the press, scapegoating minorities, and cozying up to dictators. None is as blind as he who will not see.

 

It is just a way for you to insult white people. Black supremacists are noted by using the term African American. They promote Africa. Why? They think it is superior.

This nation was founded by white people but not because of any superiority notions. They knew it was more primitive than Europe so they had a lot of work to do.

Good grief. you still see them as slaves? Amazing nonsense.

I became a republican for the reason I favor a party of human freedom. Democrats say they no longer favor Hitler but during FDR prior to the war, they did. He did for Germany what FDR wanted done for America.
I would say that historically blacks had far more adversion to homosexuals than whites had. Do you still blame them? I doubt you do.

But you want me blamed for slavery.

This nation has a border. And laws. Mexicans belong in their country as we belong in our country.
Trump was attacked by the press from day one. No wonder he fights back. I would not respect him if he were not fighting back.

Watch Larken Rose if you want to know me better. I am not a statist.

 

Now, me saying Hitler tainted the Nazis may inaccurately be deemed that I approve the Nazis. Nothing could be further from the truth. They stole freedom from a nation. This to me is unforgivable. I see Democrats of the same mold. They stole this nations freedom which is why i abandoned that party.

 

This thread kind of proves the left hates the traditional idea of God family country and the Constitution. They find its morals and laws too confining.

 

Yea but familiphobes, whitephobes, Americaphobes and Christianphobes are much worse. And more violent and radical.

 

Huh? Let me guess. You’re a white Christian male

 

Yep..we don’t fear the invisible man in the sky, oh and of course we must hate our children and we yearn for the constitution when we had slavery and women couldn’t vote

 

Logical- good question; I have an opinion on it.

We have a couple generations of people raised on the "new" parenting ideas of free expression that became popular in the 60's to 80's, where physical discipline was rejected and all misbehavior became considered a psychological condition that should be treated with drugs, or at least tolerance. Many of those kids went to colleges who told them what to think but did not teach them how to think. They write poorly, read poorly, comprehend poorly and have poor work ethics- and that affects their employment potential. They don't understand personal responsibility either, which affects not only their judgment, but the ability to take charge of their own lives instead of blaming everything on external things. They have great difficulty with relationships; they live in their phones, have facebook friends they have never met- and they are angry at society and tradition, because life isn't working well. They blame the older generations for not fixing it for them.

Just as many children grew up thinking their parents were stupid, we have a large percentage of these later generations thinking that anything from the past is obsolete- and they can just make up some thing new, because it's a new time and things change, so if it sounds good it shouldl work. Just as wise judgement and values are learned from the examples of parents. so is poor judgment and values. We are now into second generations of that kind of parenting and the resulting kids coming of age. They are just not prepared to be adults.

Things do change- but intelligent people learn from both the successes and failures of the past. This new group ignores both, because like kids, they don't see it that way. Virtually every advance we make comes from building on the past- as is often said in science, "We grow by standing on the shoulders of giants".... those who went before, and laid the foundation for progress. The new liberals don't think that is necessary, because they think they know how to think and don't see that as necessary. It's a sad situation, one with no quick answer.

A human brain is a lot like a computer. If someone programs a computer with garbage- it puts out garbage. Not a defective computer, just garbage in processing things so that garbage comes out. There's been a lot of garbage programming done to these now adult kids. Re-programming a brain is very difficult, near impossible unless the person themselves grasps the need and is extremely committed to change. Sadly it's too late to teach many of them- but if we don't accommodate their illusions, I suspect reality and time will get the job done for at least some of them. One post some time back remarked how so many conservatives were liberals in their youth, but time and experience shifted their views. Maybe time will help.

 

What? Like slavery, misogyny, women cannot vote, children have few legal rights? Long gone (well legally anyway)...thank goodness.


As for God? That lunatic who would see his own children go to hell if they refuse to take him as their savior?



You mean the ignorant masses blindly believing some God Club manual bullshit that was probably written by some whacko who just wanted to get laid or get rich or both.

Remember what L Ron Hubbard said “The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion.”

Fortunately, America is slowly realizing how completely absurd ALL major religions are.


The sad thing is, many of he good things about the original America - small government, very small military/large reserves, generally balanced budgets...have long gone.

 

You lost, elections have consequences.

 

And the Dems have been WINNING again ever since you imposed your BLOTUS on this nation.

The consequences in November look like being even more of the same.

 

Wow..based on overgeneralizing...you sound like every old person who sees the next generation as awful.
Yes, many were liberals in their youth and then resented the changes. I am counting on the youth today and they are mostly liberals because they believe in gender equality, they believe in gay rights, they are against racism and Xenophobia and against wars and for gun control. They said the same thing about my generation and it ended a war, it ended segregation it gave women reproductive freedom etc.

 

And we’re all suffering for it. We have an out of control wannabe dictator who knows how to appeal to his base