Stop blaming the NRA for failed gun control efforts

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Fatuous deflection duly noted and ignored.
     
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    The NRA hasn't blocked the development of smart guns - they've just fought the laws that mandated that only smart guns can be sold.

    "For decades, firearms companies have refused to sell smart guns because of glitches in some early models, as well as a backlash from conservative gun-rights activists, who fear the technology will prompt state legislatures to mandate it broadly. The activists say their fears were confirmed by a 2002 New Jersey law requiring all handguns for sale in the state to have smart-gun technology once it became available."

    "‘The gun industry is not fond of [the smart gun] because it’s change, and Silicon Valley isn’t fond of it because it’s guns.’
    Jonathan Mossberg, former executive at shotgun maker O.F. Mossberg & Sons"


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-no-one-wants-to-back-the-smart-gun-of-the-future-2018-04-14

    We already have the technology to keep children from shooting guns. They're called gun safes and trigger locks.
     
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    In #629, you wrote, "Children are still dying thereby proving that it is ineffective and that FACT is UNDENIABLE." Is this the post that refers only to small children?
     
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    Complete and utter nonsense.

    The NRA went nuts when the first smart gun technology appeared.

    Furthermore the HYPOCRISY of the NRA preaching about "states rights" but not when it applies to NJ is duly noted.
     
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    Nope!

    #633

     
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    Proof? States don't have the right to restrict firearms protected by the Second Amendment. See McDonald v City of Chicago.

    "Conceptually, a "smart" gun is one that incorporates technology that would prevent the gun from being used by an unauthorized person. Currently, no viable guns equipped with such technology exist.

    Gun control supporters advocate laws to prohibit the sale of firearms that do not possess "smart" technology, as a way to prohibit the manufacture of traditional handguns, raise the price of handguns that would be allowed to be sold and, presumably, to imbed into handguns a device that would allow guns to be disabled remotely.

    The NRA doesn’t oppose the development of “smart” guns, nor the ability of Americans to voluntarily acquire them. However, NRA opposes any law prohibiting Americans from acquiring or possessing firearms that don’t possess “smart” gun technology."

    https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/smart-gunspersonalized-firearms/
     
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    Why are law enforcement officers not held to the same standard? If a firearm is stolen from their patrol vehicle, they face no consequences. If they leave a firearm in a public restroom and forget about it, they face no consequences. They do not face criminal charges, despite the fact their firearms are being found by minors, or stolen by criminals.
     
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    The NRA has not obstructed the development of any firearms. It simply opposes laws that prohibit the ownership of certain firearms, such as those that have been proven to work time and time again, while simultaneously allowing for the ownership of untested, unproven technology that the military and law enforcement refuses to utilize for themselves.

    It is not much different from attempts at prohibiting the ownership of modern firearms, while only leaving muskets available for private ownership.
     
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    So-called "smart firearms" are unreliable at best, and do not work as is being promised. Hackers have already proven that the available prototypes can be affected by common magnets, thus making the technological innovation useless.
     
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    "But what’s worse, at least if you’re a gun person, is that lawmakers and activists who know less than nothing about guns often find themselves in a position to confidently enshrine their technological ignorance into law."
     
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    Remember the Original Magnalock ©
    for Smith & Wesson Revolvers ?
    To protect Police Officers from getting shot with their own gun in a gun take away.
    Massad Ayoob tested it extensively, and it went nowhere.
    You needed a special ring on your finger to fire the Gun.
     
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    Spare me the ignorance. All of the recommendations from the gun haters about making the guns impossible to fire by a child makes the guns harder to shoot well by even trained personnel, making them LESS SAFE.
     
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    Still feeding the troll?
     
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    A friend of mine has one he had set up when his kids were small; a S&W model 65 .357. He still has it and it works fine; it just never caught on.
     
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    Sure now. Do you apply the same logic to cleaning products, tools, swimming pools, and anything else tha might harm a child?
    And, what of the mil or so abortion homicides a year?
     
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    FACTS prove that the NRA is just FOS on this topic.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2014/jan-feb/05-stem-cell-future

     
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    Use of puerile ad homs duly noted and edited out.

    The NRA nefariously INSISTS that those who are DIAGNOSED as mentally unstable MUST have access to firearms so that they can KILL themselves and/or others if that notion occurs to them in their delusional state of mind.
     
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    Gun owners can't figure out how to fire guns with child safety features? :eek:

    Is that the position of the NRA?
     
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    NRA disinformation without any credible non partisan facts to support it.
     
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    Fatuous deflection attempt duly noted and ignored.
     
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    Yep, you are right. I notice all the military and LE carry smart guns. If they are good for them....
     
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    It’s not deflection, but applying the silly logic of gun control advocates to things responsible for more deaths of children than guns, but then, they really don’t care about children’s lives for anything but an emotional appeal for disarming the law abiding.
     

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