It's Official: Trump Tax Cuts Are Boosting Growth And Mostly Paying For Themselves

I'm sorry, but you don't prove your claim by dodging and trying to shift the burden of proof by asking questions of me.

You baselessly claim the Democrats caused the spending increases and budget deficits in FY2009.

Here, for the record, is where Bluesguy identified what he called the "failed policies" of the Democrats that he claimed caused spending and deficits to increase in FY2009:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...for-themselves.530373/page-35#post-1068961118

The record now reflects that he was asked (by me) to specifically identify and quantify the "stimulus spending," "huge regulatory increases," "tax increases on the higher earners" "take over of the health insurance industry" and "failure to lock in the Bush tax rates" that he claimed were the "failed policies" that he claims caused the spending and deficit increases in FY2009.

The record also reflects he utterly failed to support, specify, or quantify such spending, tax increases, regulatory increase, etc. that supposedly caused the spending and deficit increases in FY2009.

And instead of backing up his claim, in true sophomoric Bluesguy fashion, he instead tried to weasel out of his box by dodging, diverting, and trying to put the burden on me.

I will be referring to this post in future exchanges when Bluesguy tries to claim the Defendants caused the spending and deficit increases in FY2009.

 

I don't prove claims I don't make especially when someone purposely attempts to misrepresent what I say.

I showed you them even bragging about their increased spending from news sources, refute it.

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"They failed their policies mitigated nothing blew the deficits through the roof, from, $161B to $1,400B"
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Yep their policies failed to mitigate the effects of the recession, failed to get us into a recovery and we saw the results. The deficits went through the roof. Unemployment didn't stop at 8% but soared to 10% What are you denying?

And no I have no obligation to go find minuita details for lack of rebuttal or even denial. And quite frankly you have gotten so argumentative instead of trying to have a reasoned debate I can't even keep up with what you are asking and you certainly haven't quote me correctly.

 

Why don't you get back on topic and show us how the Trump tax cuts have boosted the economy and are mostly paying for themselves.
Your redundant circular arguments are annoying.
Are you sure your not a bot. Can you type in one of the words?

 

Infantile imagination. You do not want to face the Central Pertinent Fact of any modern democracy. Which is this:

So, the present aberrations to voting in the US should be put down and done away with. That is the Electoral College and Gerrymandering.

And the national vote for the presidency should be conducted EXACTLY IN THE SAME MANNER AS IT IS FOR THE LEGISLATURE.

One-person, one-vote - and only the total votes matter ...

PS: Now let me have the same bullshat that I usually get: "We don't live in a Democracy, we live in a Republic!" (They are one in the same!!!)

 

RECENT FACTUAL ECONOMIC HISTORY OF THE US

And why don't you look at the Historical Economic Facts:
*Our Great Recession was made worse by a Replicant HofR that refused any stimulus-spending of the kind that would put an end to the Great Recession by creating jobs*.
*That it prolonged the unemployment suffering of the American people four more years than was necessary!
*That the American recovery occured in the last two years of the Obama Administration. As shown from Bureau of Labor Statistics here (Employment to population Ratio):

The above infographic (from here) shows clearly that the drop of employment from 63% of the working population to 58.5 happened by 2010. By refusing any stimulus-spending as of 2010, the HofR (and ONLY the HofR controlled by the Replicants) refused all further stimulus-spending to put people back to work.

And WHY? Because they could not give a damn about record unemployment. They wanted to oust Obama in the 2012-elections and figured that HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT would help achieve that goal!

Meaning that they COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. They just wanted to win elections in order to preserve the present Acute Income Disparity that exists in the US ...

*Just as when Obama entered office the Dems passed the ARRA-bill ($878B of stimulus-spending in 2009) that stopped dead an unemployment-rate at 10% that ended exploding unemployment. (See that fact demonstrated here.)

 

Well he also got like 10 mil more and 5 mil more for total votes so...not sure what your point is here since he won both????

 

Which is why the tax cuts (for actual people) expire in 2 years, just in time for the Blue Wave midterm election. You idiots pull this crap every time yo wiggle into power then act all shocked at how the Dems are raising taxes and blowing up the deficit as if nobody has caught on to you fools.

People have known since Bill's days, The Repubs talk about fiscal responsibility and the Dems actually balance the books.

 

A POPULAR-VOTE PLURALITY AND ONLY A POPULAR-VOTE PLURALITY

The US does not have a real democracy, and that factor was from the get-go. The Constitution was rushed in order "legitimate" the country at the end of the revolution. The real-problem being the southern-states who had declared themselves "sovereign states" when subtracting themselves from British rule.

Ok, so just count the total-number of popular-votes and compare them. The election of a PotUS should be no different whatsoever from the vote of any representative to Congress or state Governor/representative. The election should be simply a matter of popular-vote plurality!

The present combination of the Electoral College plus Gerrymandering of the vote has made Uncle Sam a laughable "democracy". This aberrancy has been noticed by the world, which is why when American presidents talk about "democracy" most just hold back a laugh.

AN HISTORICAL MISTAKE OF MAJOR PROPORTIONS

We have instituted a False Democracy the result of a mistake in the original Constitution later repeated in Amendment 12 (passed in 1812). Which was due to the fact that the Southern States were scared shatless that the North would impose upon the south "freedom and democracy for all" and gut their profitable production of cotton. The slaves were indispensable to the Southern-state economies.

A matter that took, 60 years later, a Civil War to settle. And yet we as a nation still have a problem. Blacks in America earn MUCH LESS than any other class of citizen:

Now, tell us why the above disparity should happen in one of the richest nations on earth 150 years after the Civil War supposedly settled the racial question of colour!

(I'm waiting with bated-breath for your answer ...)

 

You have either a short memory or a dismal instruction in American political history.

Bush2 handed Obama the makings of the Great Recession in 2008. The consequence of which was a skyrocketing unemployment rate of close to 11% by late 2009.

For your edification (from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here):

The first business Obama was obliged to attend to a year after his start was skyrocketing unemployment. Replicant Bush2 had handed him this"gift" on a platter.

What happened? This from "FINANCIAL CRISIS & RECESSIONS":

Howwzat? Here's how (same source):

It helps nobody that a myopically VERY WRONG appreciation of historical fact regarding the Great Recession still prevails in this country ... !

 

Because Obama won the same way, through the EC.

 

Maybe we shouldn't allow banks to create money. Just a thought.

 

I don't deny what you said, just that you seem to want to put all the blame for the housing fiasco on Bush and Republicans. While it's true, Obama inherited a mess, his policies didn't help much. He lied about having all those shovel ready jobs waiting for him. Threw money at everything, but created very few full time jobs. His health plan helped cut jobs and forced many companies to cut full time help and make them part time. Seems most of his jobs were in the service industry, mostly in fast food. As a matter of fact, in 2013, 75%-77% of all jobs created under his policies were all part time jobs. How do people live on low paying part time and service jobs? To make it even worse, he piled on regulations after regulations, forcing many companies to move out of the country. He lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs alone. The trouble with Democrats, they seem to always have a war on business and when they do, it's the American people who suffer.

 

The EC balances the vote to protect the minority states. You believe in protecting minorities don’t you?

 

No, you don't. You hate that the Alt Right is not allowed to assault the Constitution and our civil liberties.

No one on this board can name any assault by We the People on the Constitution or our civil liberties.

 

Possibly because they are not blatantly trying like the left is.

 

"given the high approval numbers for Trump" is a silly statement. That Filthy Donald has better numbers is as significant as being in seventh place in an eight team league.

Shoot Obama is almost 20 points better than Filthy Donald in popularity voting.

 

The Republicans have no doubt that in two years the tax cut to the people will be renewed. There is no way the Democrats will vote against it. They had to have a permanent tax cut for business in order for them to spend hundreds of thousands to move their factories back and draw more foreign factories in. They sure as hell wouldn't do it knowing the Democrats would resend the tax in a few years. From what I have been reading it is working. If enough business move here and hire enough people, that should come close to bringing in enough tax money to make up for the tax cut given them. You'll have many more businesses paying taxes we never had before and millions of Americans working that weren't. It should also cut a lot of people off the welfare rolls which will also save taxes. Americans prosper when they are working full time jobs. That wasn't happening under Obama's policies.

 

Yes, but filthy Donald has done more to straiten out this country in less than a year and a half than Obama did in eight years. Obama sweet talked us, told us everything we wanted to hear, but he made a mess of the country. Made a mess of fighting ISIS, dragging that war on years longer than he had to, costing billions more. He is literately hated in the Middle East. Should be hated in Europe too.

 

Filthy Donald has done nothing of the sort, and his party will be rejected this fall.

 

I don't believe that was my quote

Lack of rebuttal noted again and get everyone else back on topic. BTW CBO just upped projected GDP numbers for Q4 to Q4 to 3.3%. That's how it works.

 

How many times does it have to be repeated, the Democrats took control of the Congress TWO YEARS before Obama moved to the White House and Obama was a Senator in that Congress. They took the Congress a YEAR before the recession even began. The stimulus was supposed to hold unemployment to 8% for just one quarter then a rapid fall to 4% within two years. It totally failed and unemployment shot to 10% and stayed over 9% for the next 3 years. Stop trying to blame Bush and the Republicans for Democrat failures.

 

This is what Bluesguy can and won't answer: "Why don't you get back on topic and show us how the Trump tax cuts have boosted the economy and are mostly paying for themselves."

 

The Republicans do not come to govern nor do they even know how to...but they do come to steal...now the have a proven lifelong Commander-in-thief Trump to sign off on their ****.

 

Funny...coming from the supporter of the two POTUS' (Clinton and Obama) ,who enriched themselves while POTUS more than anyone else in HISTORY. Hilarious.