Victory day in russia

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    So you don't have any photos and you just lied about SS uniforms and Nazi symbols there? Ok, that's clear... Also you can't explain what nazi ideas and in what form has been glorified in Riga. Only thing that you do is mechanically repeat wat has been told in Russian TV and said, that instead if this there is no need to understand something. True zombie...
     
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    So if someone goes to TV and tells on primetime, that you can be a sexual maniac and serial killer, its normal? And TV has no any responsibility about this?

    I don't know, maybe you have problems with Russian, but in examples, which i showed, there where stories about genocide. I i can bring more. Want some?

    Girkin's band from Russia started to use missles. Russian occupants in 2014 shelled the center of Mariupol killing innocent people. So russians started a genocide against ukrainians in Mariupol?


    No, Western media do not treats its auditory like pack of callate telling them some crazy bullshit. In Western media you can't find hate speech against states and nations. This is the huge difference.
     
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    I already said which ideas. I am not going to repeat it. These SS veterans making parades- they are the symbols of Nazim themselves. Form- parade. What else do you need to know? Are you one of these Nazi supporters that believe that it is OK to make these parades?
     
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    You can tell anything. You have any facts, or others have to believe you on word?

    How man can become a symbol of nazism? What they should do and why it makes them the symbol? Or you just said and they become the symbol of nazi?
     
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    Of course, you can find hate in the western media. You do not need to go far, watch and read what they have said in British mass media when Skripal was poissoned. As far genocide, Putin has his reasons to tell that. For sure he knows more than you or me about what happens in Donbass. Rebells started to use missiles? Did they come to Kiev or Kiev army came to Donbass? Now after I heard that Russian journalists who worked in RIA Novosty were arrested in Kiev, I think they practice genocide of Russians. So Putin was worried not for nothing.
     
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    The fact is that they organize parades. What other fact do you need? The fact that they were on the side of Nazis makes them the symbol. They even bring the posters that show how SS killed Jews.
    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/hundreds-march-with-nazi-ss-veterans-in-latvia-1.5912476
     
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    How these "parades" are linked with nazi ideology and nazi symbols or ideas? I bet you don't know this...

    As i understand in 9th of may in Riga there are propaganda of Stalinism going on? Or they don't tell this for you on TV so you do not mehanicly repeat it?
     
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    What? Russian eat little children and are planning genocide against british? Can you bring some examples?

    For sure, Putin said and prole has to believe on word.

    Donbas is Ukraine territory and army of Ukraina was there from wery begining. Girkin band and later russian forces came to Donbas from Russia.
     
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    And I have a good source/friend from kharkiv who is in ukranian military and his unit proceeded to have killed 5 active service members of russian military, I've even shown 2 videos of him in action, and this "vis" still denies and suggests my "nazi" friend should be killed!?! Not some old"vasja" talk here?
     
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    Former collaborators of Nazi make parades and you ask how they are connected with Nazi ideology. Directly connected, connected by the fact that they fought on the side of Germans. Punkt. Eh? Victory day has nothing to do with propaganda of Stalinism, as it was not Stalin, who made the victory, but the people of Soviet Union.
     
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    Look youself what was posted in the British press. I do not want to spend my time to go through the British press. And yes, they said that it was attack against Britain. There were no Russian army in Donbass. Who told you this nonsense?
     
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    No russian army in DPR, vis??? You know for sure?? Funny, I posted video for you....you deny and said it was propaganda? Then show they aren't?
     
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    What did you show? You showed a fight on video. How do you know that that was a Russian army? Did you see flying Russian military airplanes above Donbass, or maybe lots of Russian tanks? I would love to show you something but it is a problem- there is noone from Russian Army to show :-D
     
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    Yeah, vis, it was a skirmish with russian regulars...I will ask "friend" for more pics and I can post more:)):)).
     
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    You want to tell, that every who fought in german Army was hardcore nazi? But those who fought on soviet side was not hardcore Stalinist? True logic behind this... :)

    And where did you saw propaganda of nazism in these "parades"? You can't answer for a while to this simple question. Or you truly believe, that others have to believe you on word?
     
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    Eh, how do you know that was Russian regular troops? You can not see anything reasonable on these videos.
     
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    So you can write some bullshit, but facts which proofs your words, have to be found by your opponents? Great...


    Who told? Trusted person of Putin - Sergei Markov for example:



    But actuary, everybody who got at least little knowledge about military things understands, that for example rocket system "Buk" needs specialists to operate, not mine workers.
     
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    We do not talk about German army, we talk about SS. And I say yes- all those who were in SS where true Nazis. People could be forced to go to the regular army, but not to SS units. If you do not see propaganda in this, others see it:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-latvia-hundreds-march-in-honor-of-ss-veterans/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-to-latvias-fallen-nazi-troops-1922388.html
     
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    There are enough own military people in Donbass who could operate the military equipment. Besides, people learn things. That does not mean, that Russian troops are there. I can say that US troops are also in Ukraine, as there were and is a lot of NATO military advisers there. Ahhh, Russian army three times entered Ukraine and then went back. Going forward-backward, forward-backward. Are there any pictures or videos of it?
     
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    You are just incompetent in this question. There where mobilizations in 15., 19 and 20. Divisions of Waffen der SS. And actuary in others too, fir example german wrighter Gunter Gras wanted to go serve in navy but was delivered to 10 Waffen SS division. About what nazism and ideology we can talk in situation when there was mobilisation of manpower?
     
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    They had a choice where to be mobilized- to fight with Nazi Germany or to fight against it. As they had a choice to kill or not to kill Jews.
     
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    So this video, were trusted person of Putin - Sergey Markov told, that russian army 3 times entered in the territory of Ukraine your brain just skipped? :D
     
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    Realy, in nazi occupied territory they had a choise? And these who fight in german army do not have this choise?

    Which person, who participate in this parade, killed Jews? Or again, you can't tell it? You are an expert of empty words...
     
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    Why skipped? I mentioned it and asked pictures or videos for this event. You know what, if that indeed happened all western mass media immediately displayed video and photo-facts. Where are they? Putin says that Russian army was not in Donbass on the other side. Why should I beleive to Markov and not to Putin, if he can not produce confirming documents?
     
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    Of course, they had. But instead they welcomed faschists and served them. Waffen SS killed Jews. By the way Waffen SS was recognized a criminal organization by Nuremberg tribunal. But that is of course does not matter for the Nazi supporters like you and others living in Latvia.
     

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