Victory day in russia

In my "friends" words, from Kharkiv....check out those Asian Russians in this vid?(we simply don't have representatives of Asian race in Ukraine), it's like russki mercs disguised as Viet Cong soldiers in 1960s).
Also check out 1:11 of the video, they ask "who came from Russia here"? "We did", all raise their hands,lol..


Also why did all European goods disappear from russian stores in DPR? The true reason is that the low cultured katsaps presence has been proved quite some time ago, which is main reason for sanctions against the dumdfucks!

No need to prove what's already been proven! Katchok Malay veesko?? It's like proving the earth is round!

 

I'm just retelling you what I red in the SS-men memoires. In May 1945 they had to hide their SS past as carefully as it was possible.
That's true, many collaborators and nazi war criminals managed to flee to the USA - Ukrainian ones, Latvian and so on.

 

WWII ended in 1945. More than 70 years ago. Germans, the losers of the war, are doing better than the winners.
Just let it go. It’s time. The war is over.

 

Putin said, that ukrainian forces in Crimea was not blocked by russian forces. And so? He also said that there are genocide planed in Ukraine. And so?
Why Markov should lie, what's the motive?

You again want videos? Of course they are. And so? you will tell, that these are actors of Lvov theatre.






And as i said, all these stories which was told by russian politicans, about how so-called "donbas militia" got hunders of tanks, artilery, complex wepons systems and suplies from coll mines or as trophies, are four naive people who are totally incompetent in military questions.

 

So, germans who was mobilised had no chose, but Latvians, who was mobilised, had a choise? Where is the difference? They had a choise because they are Latvians? Or just russian TV, by now, didn't started brainwash you how there where mobilizations to kill jews between germans?

 

In which memories and how these memories are related to those man, who went to "parade" in Riga?

How soldier could hide this past, if they surrendered as unit - 15. division der Waffen SS?

Which one? You got the names? Or again, i shod look for them by my self?

 

Of course, they had a choice- to join Soviet Army, or to join German army. They preffered to welcome Nazis with flowers and then serve them, instead of going to the forests and fight with Germans. I still wonder why do you defend them? Are you their supporter?

 

Accepted.

 

How they could be mobilised in soviet army in german occupied area? And germans did dot got a chance to join soviet army in Germany? And all who fought on german side is hardcore nazis? Or only Latvians, because russian propaganda said so?

And after all, why these man should fight on the soviet side, when soviets occupied Latvia and killed or deported to Siberia slave camps thousands of Latvia citizens wich was the real motive, why so many Baltic citizens frighted aginst the soviets?

 

As I said, noone forced them to stay at home and welcome Nazis. SS is not simply a part of German army, it is the most terrible military structure of Nazi Germany which was involved in supervising concentration camps. International tribunal in Nuremberg has made a decision on this specific structure and those who was involved in it, and Russian propaganda has nothing to do with that.

 

Most of them was forced to join the german army by mobilisation. Most of those, who was volunteers, joined germans, because they want to fight against soviets, who killed ar deported their relatives or friends in 40/41. About what nazi ideology we can talk in this case?

Which concentration camp was supervised by 15. or 19. Div. Of Waffen der SS? Where is the difference between these 2 infantry divisions and other divisions of german army in army group North?

 

C'mon, poor Latvians were forced to go to SS by mobilisation. BS. Its name states for itself: Lettische SS-Freiwilligen-Legion. The people were there by own will. Moreover, Latvians offered Nazis help to create this legion. Even if someone by chance ended in SS by force, there is nothing to be proud of that and make parades.This is the document from UN that specifically states that SS parades are not acceptable.
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/G05/119/98
/PDF/G0511998.pdf?OpenElement
And one more article in the European scientific journal about your parades:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10609-016-9286-3
From the abstract:
"The main aim of this article is to show that although the position of the defenders is gaining more and more ground, the Latvian SS-Legion does in fact possess all the features attributed to a criminal organisation by the Nuremberg Tribunal and that its glorification is a form of glorification of Nazism, which poses a threat to compliance with the principles of international law."

 

I think these memories are from this book: Saat in den Sturm: Ein Soldat der Waffen-SS berichtet
But it's not the only source where you can read that the former SS-men cut off their tattoos with razor blades and so on - to hide their SS past - whether being a POW, or trying to flee anywhere.
As for Nazi war criminals in the USA you can read this: Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret

 

So you offer me to read a whole book? It's the same as give source to google... Can you bring some examplesof memories relating to Latvian legionaries or not? Why so many empty words?

I did not found there even one name of Latvian nazi criminals in US. So as i understand, you don't have a names? If so, why you are talking about things, that you don't know? And as i understud from this text,of someone led an organisation of ukrainian nationalists, he automatically become a war criminal?

 

Yes, there where 3-4 waves of the mobilisation. Most of the soldiers in Latvian legion was mobilised persons and if germans named this legion Volunteers Legion, this did not change this fact. Many things in totalitarian states on paper was not the same as in reality.

If people think that there are necessary to organize public meetings, it is their lawful right to do so. But it has nothing common with nazi ideology.

Limitation of basic human rights, such as right for public meetings, in not acceptable.

And what are the arguments behind this? I bet you bought access for EUR 42.29, read whats written there and compered this with other sources? Or you don't have an interest in arguments at all, you just believe on word if someone write something that you like?

So for the little sum up. You told that people in these "parades"are wearing SS uniforms and nazi symbols, but you could not bring even one photo of this. You told that Latvian legionaries supervised the concentration camps, but you could not tell, which concentration camp which unit supervised. You told that in this "parades" people's express nazi ideas and glorified nazis, but you can't tell where did you got this information and which nazi ides was expressed in these public meetings. Everything you are capable of are mechanically repeat russian propaganda slogans.

 

Meanwhile Israel just became the first country in the world to use our much ballyhooed F35 fighter jet in combat???

 

Yes, people in these parades make propaganda of Nazism, and I gave you the link to the paper in the scientific journal that explains why is that. Moreover, this paper clearly tells that the people had alternatives to serve in SS, so what you tell about obligations to serve in SS is BS. This paper has nothing to do with Russian propaganda as the work was done by people in Spain and clearly not Russians. The same as with the links to the publications in the mass media that were referenced. I did not pay for this paper. If you want to read it you go to https://sci-hub.tw/, type in the DOI of the paper: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10609-016-9286-3
and read it for free.
As soon as these parades contradict to Nuremberg tribunal statements they should be forbidden. Summary: since you defend these parades of criminals- you are a Nazi supporter.

 

Did the Pilot survive ? Glad that someone is taking these lemons off our hands.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/f-35-grounded-indefinitely-oxygen-problems/index.html

 

Did not saw any explanations there and i clearly know, that there is no any propaganda of nazism in these "parades". Can you at least sum up arguments of this "scientific" text? Or it's too difficult?

What alternatives these people had?

So, if some jurist of spanish nationality wrote historical topic, we can believe him on word, just because he is spanish?

And i can not open any document using this link.

How these parades contradict to Nuremberg tribunal statements? Or again you cant tell it? For shure, bring the arguments in duscussion is much more difficult than mechanicay repeat slogans.

Which criminals? You can bring the names and their crimes, or again nothing?

 

Of course, you did not see explanations since you did not read the paper. The link perfectly works. Some staff from the paper for you:
"In the first place, both among defenders of the Legion and their opponents there is unanimity about the assessment of activities carried out by Latvian police battalions: many of these units were involved in commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity on territories occupied by German troops.71 Secondly, when carrying out their duties, the police battalions were subordinate to representatives of the SS and the Security Service SD (Der Sicherheitsdienst des Reichsfu¨hrers-SS).72 Thirdly, police battalions were created with the aim of forming special units, mainly for implementation of political and ethnic cleansings and for anti-partisan warfare.73 Finally, entry into police battalions was carried out on a voluntary basis, and we cannot suggest that it was enforced.74 Consequently, when we speak about former members of the Latvian SS-Legion who can march through the streets of Riga every year, it should be taken into account that many of these people could have begun their active collaboration with the Nazi regime not in 1943, when the Legion was created, but earlier, in 1941, when they were already soldiers of police battalions. Some scholars stress that one of the major roles in the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Russia and Belarus was assigned to Latvian units prior to creation of the Latvian SS-Legion as well as after its establishment.75 Nevertheless, other researchers persist with the denial of the Legion’s involvement in these crimes, claiming that although some members of the Legion were engaged in commission of these crimes, when they were soldiers in police battalions, it does not follow to regard the Latvian Legion on the whole as a criminal organisation.76 On this basis, any attempt to label the Latvian Legion as criminal’ is perceived as the policy initiated back in the Soviet era for demonization’ of Latvian units who fought for the freedom of their country.77 However, these remarks are not consistent with reality. After the Latvian SS-Legion was created in 1943, its members were also involved in the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity. In the north of Belarus, from 31 October until 9 November 1943, the punitive operation Heinrich’ was implemented with the participation of eleven Latvian police battalions.78 During the pacification’ of the territory with a high concentration of the partisan movement 7,000 people were killed and 12 villages were burnt down.79 A considerable role in the implementation of this operation was assigned to the police regiment Riga’ (Lettische Polizei Freiwilligen Regiment Riga) that was repeatedly in charge of ethnic cleansing in 1943–1944. Moreover, it is necessary to point out that the Latvian SS-Legion participated in the anti-partisan operation Spring Festival’ (Fru¨lingsfest) carried out in April–May 1944 in the north of Belarus against partisans of the Ushachsko-Lepelsk zone. The main units which were engaged in this operation were the following: the 15th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, the 2nd and the 3rd Latvian police regiments and the 5th Latvian border regiment.80 As a result of this operation 7011 people were killed, 11,000 people were captured for subsequent sending to forced labour in Germany, and many villages were burnt down.81 At the same time, there are grounds to argue that from December 1943 until April 1944, as a result of its participation in punitive operations against the civil population in the territory of Russia and Belarus, the 19th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS destroyed 23 villages and killed 1300 people.82 Thus, as we may notice, there is quite solid evidence of not only the participation of Latvian police battalions in the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity, but of the engagement of the Latvian SS-Legion as such in commission of these crimes."
And this is the answer about alternatives, that is given in the paper:
"Nevertheless, it should be taken into account that, despite the obligatory character of the conscription, the conscript had certain methods to avoid joining the SS through some alternatives. For example, as an alternative to joining the Legion, the conscript could choose to work in the German military industry or to carry out additional work for the army such as digging trenches.30 Besides, in many cases, one could always flee to the partisans,31 although this meant the conscript’s life was exposed to danger.32"
For your last question, the main aim of the Nuremberg Tribunal was to condemn the Nazi regime and the SS organisation. And it was done. Latvian SS-Legion was a part of SS, therefore, all what was established with regards to SS, concerned also Latvian SS-legion. Latvian SS legion committed war crimes, these are documented. And now without any shame its members make parade. This is BS.

 

World War II veteran Dmitry Syrkashev recalled how he was invited by President Vladimir Putin to be at his side during the Victory Day parade march . . .



Some people age better than others.

 

Hyperbole is no substitute for facts. https://www.google.ca/search?q=russ...l5zbAhVCHTQIHTXhDLkQ_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=615

 

What orders are those?

 

Germany started the war after signing a nonaggression pact with Russia and then lost the war. Russia was the big winner, if land is all that matters. Bases are still in Germany largely because neither Germans or Russians can be trusted.

And of course most people would have preferred to live in postwar America than postwar Germany, or any post war Russian occupied territories.

 

And yet these good people good side, who earlier signed a pact with Hitler, weren't allowed to leave their own country and that good side went on to murder over 100 million people around the world.

Can you enlarge on the idea that the Soviets were 'good' in any possible way?