Victory day in russia

The problem with "Victory Day" in Russia is that that day is has gotten almost a religious meaning. In modern-day Russia, it's not unusual to many Russians to state that this was a "Holy Victory", something Soviets would never say.

Fun fact: The first year Russia decided to "celebrate" it's victory over Nazis was in 1965, almost 20 years after World War II. They had one parade in 1945 and stopped celebrating that day for 20 years. Over the years this day has gotten a cult-like interpretation and was highly romanticized. This victory is part of the Russian identity and is being used to boost patriotism.

After WWII many Soviet veterans were sent to gulags, especially the ones who spent time in German camps. The idea was that since they surrendered, they were traitors. Of course, those who survived those camps, were freed under Khrushchev, but the Soviet Union did not really care about its veterans.Even in latter Soviet years, many Soviet veterans died in poverty.

This day has gotten a cult-like religious interpretation with a "Holy Victory" chants. Almost no one wore Ribbon of St.George on that day in Soviet times, but now it's a almost a holy symbol in Russia. This action stated in 2005. The recent changes where Russians carry photos of their ancestors who were veterans on wooden sticks is disturbing and would have never been allowed in the Soviet Union.

My great grandparents fought in the Soviet Army in WWII, so May 9 will always have a special meaning for me, but the current perversion and religious cult-like interpretation of that day that is happening in modern Russia is indeed disturbing.

 

Isn't occupying foreign territory an occupation?

Russia was not the aggressor, it was the defender - and the Russian people were defending themselves from a political system and force that wanted their lands, and one that had no qualms about ethnically cleansing and committing genocide to get it. Try to understand that!

I think it's marvelous that the Russian people are honoring those who made the ultimate sacrifice in that way. It's also a good reminder to them of the many times they were attacked by the West in one way or another. Sometimes it was internally like helping the Bolsheviks and causing millions of deaths, or putting in Yeltsin and having the people starve while Russia's wealth was shipped out of the country, and other times it was external with wars.

As the saying goes, those who don't know history are bound to repeat it. Moscow is making sure the Russian people know their history. Smart move!

 

To provide, for example, favorable conditions for US companies that run business in that country.

 

Germans can not be trusted? Very interesting. Why not?

 

Because Everytime the Russians make a deal with the Krauts smazhkoh...it usually costs 30 mln....dead that is!

 

Every time? Can you count how many times? Can you also prove that the only deal I am aware of was the origin of the war?

 

Germany is not being 'occupied'. Who told you it was?'.

Those weren't Russian tanks that rolled into Hungary, for example? Who was it wanting these Russians lands and what 'political system' were they protecting themselves from?

They were certainly attacked by the Nazis, with whom they had made a pact.

Yu feel Stalin, lenin and the boys had nothing to do with this? That it was really Woodrow Wilson perhaps?

I wouldn't rely on any sort of information from the Russians.

 

Isn't that a good thing? Many countries are competing with each other to have companies open in their countries to provide employment and a higher standard of living for their people. Russia and North Korea may be the exceptions.

 

Who knows? It's probably part of their culture.

 

I don't offer you anything. You asked how soldiers could hide their past, I answered you how they hide and where I red about it.

Maybe it's automatically, maybe not. But usually - yes, all leaders of Ukrainian nationalist organizations were war criminals.

I didn't focus on Latvian war criminals. Have no idea why would you need that. What's your point? There were no war criminals among Latvian SS-men?

 

Of course, it is good for the US. But not for the other countries that may have their own interests.

 

Well, from my point of view, it is also better not to trust americans.

 

Nobody can match to the West's (including USA) body count.

America has no idea how many innocent people it's killing in the Middle East
US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II
5 of the worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire
Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them

You are not good. You are bad. You are very bad.

 

Why not? Many countries want companies like Volvo, GE, Shell, Toyota, etc. to invest in their countries. They know it is good for their people.

Seems Russians prefer their own Mafia investments. That's the only foreign business they have.

 

Nor do you, it seems, or you'd be quick to point it out. Muslims are the main murderers in the Middle East, as we all well know

.Why not include WWII? How does that compare with how many the Nazis and Communists killed?

They are not ignored. You can watch movies about them which can be very sympathetic to any victims.

And that's something you should keep in mind whenever you consider extending your borders or ignore human rights.

 

A good idea. Best to just mind your own business.

 

No, US creates favorable conditions only for its own business. Why to take care about Toyota or Siemens? You conserve your own oil and gas fields, and use the resources of other countries. That is what you do.

 

Nazi victims are also on you. Germany is the West too.

 

Some people want to invest, some choose to sell. That is not unusual in this world. But it is governments which tend to form monopolies, through some businesses may try.

 

Who are you saying is responsible for these Nazi victims? Your post is unclear.

 

Yes, this should be hammered in heads of Americans. Time for them to get out of Europe and Middle East.

 

I mention them because they are all international companies, an example of those which countries like to attract.

Yes, other countries sell their oil and gas to the US and they sell them to other countries also. Are you surprised by this? In the US, as with other countries, they feel conservation is a good thing.

 

Any time the Europeans want Americans to leave they just need to say so. Trump would probably oblige them.

The Middle East is full of backward religious fanatics who are a danger to the world, as well as each other. They need constant supervision.

 

Sure, having a puppet government you can "ask" to sell oil/gas for a pence.

 

Do you have an example in mind?