What if Trumpism isn't an Abberation but the New Norm?

smugly ignoring reality is why the left is wandering lost in the political wilderness.

no skin off my nose.

wonder who Hillary will blame next...Obama certainly hasn't accepted any responsibility for the left's spectacular collapse in six short years. though both are arguably most responsible.

from "40 More Years, How Democrats Will Rule The Next Generation"
to virtually powerless and totally clueless.

calls for introspection
gets doubling-down. predictably (circling back to the 'smug')

 

I agree. But there are obstacles here that France didn't have. Perhaps the biggest is that Republicans and Democrats write our election laws and they write them as a mutual protection act. The one thing both major agree on is that there will be no viable third party.

second is financial. Corporations, Wall Street Firms, Lobbyist, Special Interest, mega money donors, all donates tens of millions to the two major parties and their candidates. Quite a lot on that list donate to both parties and their candidates. That way regardless of who wins, the winner still owes them. They don't give to third parties or independents. That is a major hurdle to over come. This is why you had Hillary Clinton spending 1.4 billion, Trump 968 million on their election. In third place was Gary Johnson at 3 million. That is getting out spent by approximately 2.4 billion to 3 million. Third parties can't compete against that.


Then there is ballot access. Republicans and Democrats receive automatic ballot access. Any third party must jumps through the hoops of getting on the ballot. Petitions signed, the amount varies by each state as does the time period allowed to get the signatures. Then the two major parties will challenge each and every signature in an attempt to keep the third party off the ballot which is followed by lawsuits brought by the two major parties against the third party.

There's more, but this should give you an idea.

 

Have A Nice Day

 

I can see that you've given this quite a bit of thought, and I do agree with your analysis.

 

I actually been through it working for Perot in both 1992 and 1996. If Perot hadn't been willing to spend around 200 million of his own money back then, no one would have known who he was or what he stood for or what his message was. 200 million back in the 90's was quite a lot of money. Without his own spending, he would have been as well known as Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were in 2016.

Then there is the presidential debates. They used to be run by the League of Woman's voters. But the League had the audacity to allow Perot into the debates. So the two major parties formed the bipartisan debate commission and yanked the debates away from the league. The primary purpose of the bipartisan debate commission is to ensure no more third party or independent candidates ever get into another presidential debate.

 

I don't think "Trump" is the new norm. I think establishment politicians from both sides of the aisle are despised by the general public. Trump was the only feasible nonestablishment candidate on the ballot. Cruz and Trump took a vast majority of the Republican vote and Sanders took a great deal of the Democrat vote. We are seeing an anti-incumbent backlash. Look at all of the Republicans facing serious opposition in the primaries. I've been an anti-incumbant primary voter for years and I'm not alone. Trump will get conservative support as long as he keeps trying to drain the swamp. When he quits that, the public will move on.

 

You mean like in 1992 and 1996?
Or like what almost happened in 2000 and 2016?

 

A new world order huh?

 

Yep, but with the United States sitting on the sidelines instead of being the leader or the free world as it was from World War II until recently.

 

Trumpism is a terrible force that has finally erupted to the surface like the lava bursting from the ground right now in Hawaii.

 

I see.

What is it we've been "side lined" from again?

 

The point of division really seemed to start with Newt's tactics, and accelerated under (whether his fault or not) Bush Jr. I think Fox news has also been a major catalyst in the new post-truth tactics of the republican party. Then Obama got the racists all fired up. Meanwhile, yes, democrats have lost touch with uneducated white men.

That said, I don't disagree that the past administrations have been destructive to the world in foreign policy, I am just also not sure how Trump has done the average person any good. The tax breaks were mostly for the rich, not for regular Americans. Taking away healthcare subsidies and telling companies they can pollute however they want seems to indicate Trump is more out to help people like himself. And while he has good intentions in the sense of wanting to rack up wins to be seen as a good president, his instincts on good policy are completely wrong, and his lack of honesty, integrity, policy sense, or even basic decorum make him uniquely unfit for the job.

I don't think there is anything worse than Trump within the limits of our political system. I think there are plenty of other scummy republicans like Pence who share the destructive ideas of Trump and could continue to undermine our country, but at least could bring a shred of respect back to how the president conducts him or herself.

 

You brought up Newt, interesting.

When Newt left Congress is around the time that the conservative base with in the GOP lost control of the party and the neoconservatives gained control of the RNC and the Republican party.

The Neocon RINO's blew it and by 2008 nobody was in charge of the GOP. The same is some what true today.

One thing about Donald Trump, he's not a member of the Trilateral Commission and to the best of my knowledge has never been invited to a Brattenberg meeting. Donald Trump isn't part of the oligarchy and the worlds oligarchies are scared of Donald Trump.

 

He's a minor butt wart to most oligarchs but just you bigly him up, why not.

 

Newt laid the foundation for both a loss of civility in politics and also a loss of moderation. For example:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/22/opinion/oe-neuman22

I don't think grand conspiracies are required for bad policy or reflecting poorly on our nation. If oligarchies are afraid of Trump, it's because he's unpredictable, but they can take comfort in the fact that his only empathy is for himself, and he is a rich person too.

 

I guess we will find out if it is the "Norm" during the Election of 2020.

IF Trump (The UNPREPARED, MORONIC (Racist/Misogynist) IMBECILE) gets re-elected...
...THEN, America really does have some serious problems...

 

I still have a Perot campaign button somewhere around here.

 

Yes, the TDS crowd so easy to label people based on their own (UNPREPARED, MORONIC (Racist/Misogynist) IMBECILIC) filter.

 

I still have some too along with a couple of yard signs.

 

Perot helped put Slick Willy and crooked Hillary in the White House so some say.

If the liberal bias MSM hadn't gone after Ross Perot it was likely going to be President Perot.

in 1992 Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, about 19,741,065 votes.

 

Give it a rest. Trump won the majority of the electorate...in a landslide. Thats why hes President. The popular vote argument is the argument of uneducated people. Trump won the majority in an epic stunning beatdown on Hillary. If you disgaree I can explain what the term United States of America actually means. The pop vote crowd seems to have no education on this. Which is strange because before they realized Trump was winning they were gloating about the electoral and how trump had no path.

 

Surprised you call voters in California " enslaved welfare class ". California has been setting records having surpassed United Kingdom

Must be California being the " Never Trump " philosophy ( embracing immigrants, Green Power, Forward Vision Planning ) !

California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest
, according to new federal data made public Friday.

 

And there's nothing you can do about it until 2020.

 

LOL

California is ranked 50th on the Supplemental Poverty Rate Measure rankings by state.

Further:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/n...-when-it-comes-to-welfare-spending-2017-11-28

California, with its suffocating cost of living and huge population, is home to an inordinate number of households receiving public assistance. In fact, with $103 billion going toward welfare, the Golden State’s spending on the financially needy is more than the next two on the list combined.
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And more ominously:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelko...of-scandinavia-on-the-pacific/3/#245894bf4dce

One critical sign of failure: As the “boom” has matured, the number of homeless has risen to 115,000, roughly 20% of the national total. They are found not only in infamous encampments such as downtown Los Angeles “skid row” or San Jose’s “the Jungle” but also more traditionally middle class areas as Pacific Palisades and through central parts of Orange County.

California’s “comeback” has been bolstered by assertions that the state has returned fiscal health. True, California’s short-term budgetary issues have been somewhat relieved, largely due to soaring capital gains from the tech and high end real estate booms; just 5,745 taxpayers earning $5 million or more generated more than $10 billion of income taxes in 2013, or about 19% of the state’s total, according to state officials.

Despite this, the public employee-dominated state government continues to increase spending, with outlays having grown dramatically since the 2011-12 fiscal year, averaging 7.8% per year growth. No surprise that Moody’s ranked California second from the bottom among the states in its preparedness to withstand the next recession. Brown’s own Department of Finance predicts that a recession of “average magnitude” would cut revenues by $55 billion.
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So, you were saying what again?

 

Personally I wouldn't Live there however Facts are Facts

California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest
, according to new federal data made public Friday

Must be California being the " Never Trump " philosophy ( embracing immigrants, Green Power, Forward Vision Planning ) !