The patriot spring continues: Anti-Muslim immigration party wins Slovenian election

The Jews in Germany were citizens of Germany and had every right to be there unlike the people who are invading Europe. Big difference and makes your post a lot of nonsense.

 

Not 100%. It's kind of like how wearing a swastika doesn't make you a nazi, but being a nazi usually makes you wear a swastika.

 

Ok, whatever that means

You just employ the fascist slur in typical liberal knee jerk fashion

 

I call these people fascists not based solely upon their anti-immigrant views, but because they're trying to solve the collapse of liberal democracy and the welfare state with authoritarian nationalism and xenophobia, which is pretty much quintessential fascist behavior.

 

The situation with Jews in Europe was not at all unlike the situation of Muslims now.

Sure Jews had lived in Europe in different places off and on for centuries - usually with very few rights compared to the rest of the population. Muslims too have lived in Europe for a very long time. The first working Mosque was built in London in 1889 so neither Muslims or Jews are new to Europe.

Prior to Nazism Jews were fleeing persecution and pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe. The US were among many countries then with Jews as now with Muslims which tried to limit their immigration. In the US then as now there was a similar attitude to Jews by some as to Muslims today.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008297

Of course due to Western Wars and destruction of States in the ME causing millions of people to become Refugees we also now have Muslims requiring refuge...and we see people reacting in much the same way to them as they did to Jews in the 30's and it is those with the same mentality who think towards Muslim refugees today in the same way as those who thought the same towards Jews in the 30's.

Nazi Germany saw Jews as vermin which needed to be eradicated



Swede Hansen says

note how he talks of Muslims as poison. It is the same thing.

He tries to justify that by claiming this 'poison' is illegal. Hungary does not suffer from illegal Muslims. Most of those coming in 2015 could not get through quick enough so this use of the word 'poison' to describe Muslims and using the word 'illegal' when many Hungarian Muslims are ethnic Hungarians is just the same old demonising and dehumanising of a people as was done to the Jews in the 30's and by no means only in Germany. Swede Hansen of course calling Muslims 'poison' was copying Orban.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eu...ear-fallout-from-anti-islam-rhetoric-1.711823

What I find even more fascinating is that some of you call a German who expresses similar views 'fascist' when you are supporting the exact same. Does it annoy them that that poster is upfront with what he believes - letting the cat out of the bag so to speak, that people call him 'fascist' as an insult when they are supporting the same.

There was an error in that article. While many refugees wanted to come to the UK, the UK Government refused to allow them in.

 

I find it really amazing how the right wing in this forum ... especially the people from the pro-Trump camp are celebrating things like this ... and on the other hand these people are completely blind to the other and further facts and realities, as soon as possible these become unpleasant for their own point of view!

Let's start with Orban and Hungary ... Question to the persons from the Trump fan camp:
Do you love restrictions on press freedom and the introduction of state censorship of the press?
Do you love it too, when the governmental independence of the judiciary is so significantly abolished that the government (by majority in parliament) can not only legislate, but also kick out or use the judges at any time to decide whether the law is constitutional or not?
I guess the answer is usually a "no" ... correct?
Well ... but then I wonder why you like Orban and celebrate him?

The same is true of Poles and Slovenes and other Eastern European countries ... but the importnat thing is only that these Depotes in power are fans of Trump, they hate Muslims and do not want to take in refugees ... then they can do whatever they want, correct?

 

They either refuse to notice when it is pointed out to them, do not care or possibly want this themselves.

 

Did the Jews run around germany raping te fraulines and cecapitating innocent people for the hreater glory of their religion the way muslim “immigrants” are doing today?

I think not

 

I think not too. Europe's Jews were tolerant and non-violent. The Muslims are anything but that. Its a culture clash. Islam is not compatible with western ideals. They should not be admitted to the west in any large numbers. Europe should do as the US is doing and limit the number admitted to a few thousand a year instead of millions.

 

Austria's right-wing government plans to shut down seven mosques and expel up to 40 foreign-funded imams in crackdown against Islamist ideology

• Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced the measures in a news conference
• Kurz said a hardline Turkish nationalist mosque in Vienna is going to be closed
• The Arab Religious Community that runs six mosques will also be dissolved
• Austria's right-wing government plans to shut down seven mosques and expel up to 40 imams in what it said was 'just the beginning' of a push against Islamist ideology and foreign funding of religious groups.
  
  Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the government is shutting a hardline Turkish nationalist mosque in Vienna and dissolving a group called the Arab Religious Community that runs six mosques.
  
  His coalition government, an alliance of conservatives and the far right, came to power soon after Europe's migration crisis on promises to prevent another influx and clamp down on benefits for new immigrants and refugees. -snip-
• http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...overnment-plans-shut-mosques-expel-imams.html
  

 

Some Jews definitely did things they did not like, just as is the case with every people and just like then some people stereotyped all Jews in that way.

It is the same game being played out, different players same mentality. Only one 17 year old Polish born Jew living in Paris assassinated a German Diplomat to cause Kristallnacht, just like only one crazy ex Christian recruit to radical Islam tried to cut someone's head off to get you to condone similar activity towards Muslims in Hungry possibly as yet in the more minor phase. You are supporting fascism. That has been made more than clear in this thread.

Same mentality. All been done before. Not everyone has forgotten.

 

This is exactly and precisely what al-Qaeda and ISIS want and have been fighting for. Why conservatives the world over can't see such a simple and obvious plan for what it is just goes to show how blinding propaganda led and unreasoning ethnic hatred can be, and how influential America with its present fascist leadership has become

 

If that is what it takes to prevent western civilization from disappearing, I'm for it.

You, who want everything to collapse into chaos in the hopes your party will pick up the pieces naturally oppose them.

 

Fascism nearly did exactly that just a little over 70 years ago. This is within living memory.

This is what happens when we don't teach our children history. Do you know nothing of the horrors that Nazi Germany authored? Are you honestly trying to say anyone in the world, even the Nazis and their descendants, would be better off today if they had won?

 

Nearly did what?

I know a bit of history. Would anyone be better off it the Nazis had won? Probably quite a few people in the former Soviet Union and quite a few people in China who died an suffered under Communism.

The West seems well along the way to extinction. I would like to prevent that.

 

The Nazis were trying to do just what you accuse liberals of trying to do, And I really fail to see how giving aid to refugees and giving our own people universal health care will cause the collapse of Western Civilization, can you tell us how that is supposed to happen?

You know very little history if you think the Russians would be better off as most of them now living would be dead. The Russians were untermenschen, destined for slavery and eventual death in Hitler's world. Stalin indeed killed millions of his own people both before, during and after the war but Hitler killed nearly as many in only three years and these killings were largely what Stalin used to justify his.

If you want to save the West from extinction try to help it live in harmony in the modern world. Nothing that cannot adapt to change has ever survived nor ever will.

 

And what they got from the communists was slavery and death. Read the Gulag Archipelago.

"In 1949 some friends and I came upon a noteworthy news item in Nature, 2l magazine of the Academy of Sciences. It reported in tiny type that in the course of excavations on the Kolyma River a subterranean ice lens had been discovered which was actually a frozen stream-and in it were found frozen specimens of prehistoric fauna some tens of thousands of years old. Whether fish or salamander, these were preserved in so fresh a state, the scientific correspondent reported, that those present immediately broke open the ice encasing the specimens and devoured them with relish on the spot. The magazine no doubt astonished its small audience with the news of how successfully the flesh of fish could be kept fresh in a frozen state. But few, indeed, among its readers were able to decipher the genuine and heroic meaning of this incautious report. As for us, however-we understood instantly. We could picture the entire scene right down to the smallest details: how those present broke up the ice in frenzied haste; how, flouting the higher claims of ichthyology and elbowing each other to be first, they tore off chunks of the prehistoric flesh and hauled them over to the bonfire to thaw them out and bolt them down. We understood because we ourselves were the same kind of people as those present at that event. We, too, were from that powerful tribe of zeks, unique on the face of the earth, the only people who could devour prehistoric salamander with relish."

I think the Nazi's would have mellowed out. Heck, even the Communists mellowed out.

Your plan isn't working. We've got to try something different.

I've got a new slogan:

"Liberal democracy dies in diversity."

 

It appears that some nations want to keep their culture and cultural identity. And if they want to do this they get called fascists, racists, you know the drill.

And yet muslim nations want the same thing. And will get really murderous and violent in order to do just that. And yet, europe or america are the only racists, the only fascists? Perhaps non are and this is just a desire to keep ones culture? Nothing wrong with that, although the left has worked hard to color it as something evil. It isn't.

 

Read Mein Kampf and the The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. The Nazis would have mellowed the same way the commies did, after they killed so many people they broke their own country

My Plan hasn't been tried. What is changing the world is technology and nothing can really oppose technology

I've got a new slogan too
**** slogans, memes and every other facile substitute for thought

And you still haven't said how helping war refugees will end the world

 

The left has done nothing of the kind. This is nothing but rightist propaganda. You're constantly saying that just because we don't want to kill every muslim everywhere then we're supporting them. Persecution of other cultures is not part of Western culture and never has been, no matter what other cultures may do.

 

So the left has not promoted multiculturalism? Many cultures within an existing national culture? You sir are either a nut, or being dishonest here. It is self evident for god's sake and you see leftists here voicing this all of the time. Good grief. Must I put you on ignore because of the dishonesty? Indulging dishonest people only enables them. I can debate anyone left or right, but there has to be a foundation of honesty, and I am not getting that from you. Shame on you.

 

Of course the left has promoted multiculturalism, what should we promote, bigotry? Absolutely nothing I said was in conflict with promoting multicultualism

I promote the idea that in America we should tolerate all cultures as we tolerate our own, what in hell is wrong about that?

Again, you seem to have this perverted idea that Western cultures somehow must necessarily must persecute other cultures and that is simply not true. A major characteristic of Western culture is this tolerance of other cultures.

 

The opposite of multiculturalism is not bigotry. Nice try, but I will not go down that rabbit hole of intentional incoherence. Go piss on the other guy's leg.

 

Simply, it's impossible. You've universalized your own culture and values so that almost all seem almost entirely palatable. It's a very American thing to do.

Different cultures means different values. Things that you would find unspeakably monstrous are par for the course in other cultures, and things that you consider normal are unspeakably evil in other cultures. We're not on some ethical continuum from barbarity to civilization, we're from nowhere and are going to some other nowhere.

Do we need to have a conversation about demography and how it can destroy entire cultures? I think it's a fairly obvious process, but we can go through it if you want.

Here in North America most of our significant subcultures are in no danger of being eroded away. Our demographic danger lies in tensions with Mexico, a great power in the making with demographic tendrils stretching into our own country.

Europe is another matter. I'm not so concerned about the destruction of European cultures, it's not going to happen. I am concerned about a particularly utopian generation of Europeans ignoring the very real threats that demographic cataclysms pose, laying the pieces for a terrible reckoning.