The patriot spring continues: Anti-Muslim immigration party wins Slovenian election

Apart from refugees, you have no other topic ... apparently?
I think it's funny, because if these right-wing governments in Eastern Europe are against refugee policy, then they're celebrating it like this, but whatever unacceptable things are going on there, you shut your eyes up and ignore it.

Freedom of the press? Independent Justice? Absolutely no matter ... correct?

 

French Colonialism you mean. Your original assertion was

implying that anyone who was of the left was responsible for both Colonialism and Russian communism. Of course I have never heard of your French man so I did a search and it would appear that while appealing for French Colonial expansion something which was monumentally violent, his motivations were not what the real proponents of Colonialism had.
https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Analysis-of-Jules-Ferrys-Argument-on-French-PKQC2C2BJ

That one person on the left for any reason supported Colonialism does not prove your assertion that Colonialism was created by the left.

You were being dishonest in your claim that the left were the proponents of Colonialism.

Bye the way France is not the only country in the world.

As has already been pointed out this is not the case.

If you support Fascism rather than Democracy, I would expect you to have this opinion. Clearly if you support what is going on in Hungary and Poland you do not support democracy. You have the right to your position. Just be honest about it.

Well you had better start understanding what you are supporting. You will not be able to take some of the, to you, advantages of Fascism and not take others. You will have to take the whole lot if that is what you support and what comes into being.

I noticed you were deliberately choosing that word. Are you suggesting you have no problem with the Muslims who are citizens of your country. Your posts would suggest otherwise. I have to admit that you are the first person who I have come across who has advocated xenophobia. To advocate people hate any group of people sounds criminal to me. In your case I would imagine that was the first stage.

Well this thread was never on France. If you wanted that then you should have started a thread on France in the Europe Section. However yet again you are showing you approval of Dictatorship which no one who supported Democracy would approve of. Your choice as in your expression of support for Le Penn would be a Fascist Dictatorship.

 

Invading another territory is as old than the world. Invading a world by pretending that you will "enlight" the lower people was invented by people like Jules Ferry.

The second biggest colonial empire, so I think it's quite relevant when we speak about colonialism.

And I already pointed out, it's a lie, the fact that you found two cases of dumb garbabe who assassinated arabe teenagers doesn't mean the parti is fascist, especially that all of that whas commited during Le Pen father, not the daughter.

I support democracy for my own country only, and furthermore I just think that countries who produce the equivalent of the SS of the 21th century have no right to give some morale lessons to other countries and have barely the right to call themselve "countries".

I'm not supporting anything but their anti immigration policy, so their culture and people don't get destroyed. I don't like the anti gay policy they have.

No, because if they obey their god, they kill some members of my family and will start a civil war.

I don't hate foreigners, I want them to stay out. I don't blame illegals to want to come in Europe, but they should stay out. You know why the left love so much immigration ? Because they know that migrants are faithfull voter for the left. At that moment, the left understood that if they can't convince the people to vote for them, they will just have to change the people so they vote for them.

They're all part of the EU.

A fascist dictatorship where people can freely sign petitions to start referendums on absolutely everything to vote on. It's a very strange dictaatorship. Under Le Pen (still only one n), France would be much more democratic than under Macron, where 20 % of the voters choose him and the 80 % other just have to shut their mouth up during five years. So no, I'm for a more democratic France when you're from a more authoritarian country in this case.

 

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There is no discussion of colonialism going on here. This was just you trying to win an argument by declaring that Colonialism was a 'leftist thing' and by so doing taking the thread off topic.

Your claim that Colonialism was a 'leftist thing' was a false claim. It illustrates to me that you try to twist things.

That is not why Le Penn and the National Front is still considered far right - i.e. fascist and you have proven nothing. All you have shown is you approve of Le P-enn the head of the National Front Party which claims it is no longer Fascist but this is simply the same claim as all the others. Apparently Hitler even tried this at one time.

Don’t be fooled by ‘moderate’ Marine Le Pen. Front National’s more toxic than ever

You said you saw democracy as no better than Dictatorship. No one who supports democracy would think that.

This is sheer hate propaganda and has nothing to do with the truth. Again this is similar to the hate propaganda against Jews in the 30's.

You said you wanted to promote xenophobia. That is

You wish an ethnic nationalist state for France. That will require you deporting or worse a great deal of French people.

Every country has the right to deport illegals. No one has ever argued against that. Clearly you are talking about something else or you would have no need to be ranting like this.

I know that fascism is an attack on the left. I said to someone else there is no point discussing this if their only interest is to talk about the 'left' and hence avoid looking at issues. This you appear to be attempting to do since your claim that I was left.

Absolute nonsense. Capitalists have tended to promote immigration to keep wages down and the main reason we and France have brought in immigrants was for cheap labour for jobs the people of the country did not want to do. The EU allows free access of people simply to give people more opportunities, something the people of the UK will now lose if Brexit goes ahead.

I will not discuss your 'the left' which you are using as propaganda and of course due to your support of fascism which is an attack on the left.

Indeed and why the EU is afraid to come out with the proper word to describe them as I have said before.

So, the UK has had this for several years now. It changes nothing.

The UK has petitions. When they reach a certain Number they have to be spoken about in Parliament. They make no difference to Parliament...indeed if anything they would just alert the National Front to where those people are who need arresting.

Right. I have to get ready to go out now. You support Le Penn. Last time we spoke, not on this thread, but last time we spoke I am pretty sure you denied that. I can see that you are, whether meant or not, being more honest now even if you are doing that while trying to say black is white.

 

Swede just won the thread with that post! lmfao!

 

Good, you won a godwin point.

Zero argument, just a leftist who like to hear herself.

Extremly corrupted democracy yes. Democracy in a general way no. I consider that every people at his own way to rule himself and there is too wide array of situations. A corrupted democracy who prevent any intellectual and economical development and where you can be stabbed at each corner of a street is worse than an authoritarian regime who enable that.

No, it is what is wrotten in the quran :
Sourate 47 V 35 So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds. (for civil war)
Sourate 9V5 then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.

Ok, I don't care of what you think I hate or not.

Or to expulse the one who don't want to integrate and integrate the rest.

No the EU want to force countries to accept the invaders known as "refugees" on your territory.

But it's what is happening. EU want to force countries to accept the so called refugees when they don't, some countries don't accept that.

No the invasion of Europe by Africa disguised as refugees is a major issue in Europe, it's why many European countries (poland, hungary, slovenia, Italy) voted for far right government.

The left government is for capitalism. That was a win win for them, they lower labour cost and they could too have a mass of people who would vote for them faithfully.

The EU is the authoritarian governement.

I absolutely don't speak of that. What you have in UK is asking to your masters that they could talk of a topic you're concerned about. It's absolute submission to your masters. What offer the National Front and what is in Switzerland is totally different. If 100 000 people sign a petition, there is a referendum, it's simply as that, they don't ask the permission to the parliament, they decide and then they vote, the parliamant can disagree with this referendum, it's doesn't matter, it still happens.

I can't support le Penn, I don't know anyone called this way. I knew someone called Le Pennec however. A charming individual, I totally support Le Pennec.

Le Pen is a politician. The nature of politician is to be treacherous prostitutes, so it's just a matter of lesser evil.

 

@alexa And About xenophobia being hate. I don't want that hobo who smell alcohol and piss in my appartment, and I want him to stay out. Does I hate this hobo ? No. But I still want him out. Xenophobia is the same, there is people you want to stay out, doesn't mean you hate them.

 

Everything I wrote went -- zip! -- right over your head. Gasp! You must be a leftist!

 

That you equate anyone not French to a 'hobo' in your apartment and smelling of alcohol and piss says it all. The definition of xenophobia is

https://www.google.com/search?clien.....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.281....0.ZNHq08oK5IY

You want the promotion of xenophobia and now you have told us what you equate non French with. In addition your posts would suggest that it is not just people from outside your country you want rid of.

 

Strange ... in my country I am told to be a conservative ... but I know ... in reverse are the righties in the USA at us often comparable with the brown Nazi rats, so no wondering that I am counted for you as leftist!

But no wondering and as expected ... no answer on the topic and the points I named!

 

Perhaps it is finally time for the emotional and intellectual children of your nation -- claiming to be adults -- to both embrace logic and grow the hell up; but obviously that won't happen until after the leftist caused bloodbath occurs. The only good thing about it is that afterwards leftists will no longer be in power and thus no longer be able to urinate on their own nation.

 

It's just an example. By the way, there is wonderfull culture around the world.

Or "Xenophobia is the fear and distrust of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange"

Dixit Oxford dictionnary. Fear and distrust of what which is perceived to be foreign or strange, I'm fine with that.

I do'nt equate all non french with someone smelling piss and alcohol, just some of them.

Sorry, I don't like people who want to kill people I love and destroy things I cherish. I'm a strange man for not appreciating that probably.

 

Who are these German people you are speaking of. Please give some examples and sources to support what you are saying

Well then this will have nothing to do with Mandelus who has already told you his position is to the right. What is this bloodbath the German left are causing. Please give sources to support your evidence.

So there is according to you going to be a blood bath and this will result in 'the left' not being able to be in power. Please describe what you are talking about and how democracy will be changed to stop 'the left' being able to be in power.

Please clarify what you mean by this, clearly stating who the people are you see doing this and giving sources to support your assertions.

 

In which case your previous argument that you were not meaning French citizens is shown false.

I see so are we getting nearer a racist reason - which includes other prejudices like gays, women or a particular religion.

At least bit by bit you are getting more honest.

As I said yesterday, if the UK had had your attitude there would have been a genocide in Northern Ireland. What you are saying is not true and suggests a pathological hate.

 

Some people got the french nationality, you can't go backward. The first thing to do is stop the invasion.

I don't give a care if you're black/arabic/asian or white.

Gay people can marry in France, and it's good.

Seriously ?

I can't say the same for you, you keep trying to make me someone homophobic, mysoginistic or racist. I'm just islamophobic and xenophobic.

I don't care of Northern Ireland, and I don't heard about a "north irish book of killing non north irish people".

It's wrotten black on white in their "holy" book.

 

You have no invasion but here you are starting to use words similar to those which were used against Jews.

You are just playing with things back and forth. One minute it is only non French citizens, the next it is who ever you think are 'strange'. The fact is that you want to promote ill feelings towards some people in France who sometimes you claim are not citizens and sometimes you say can be. Not interested in your games.

Please provide the links where I say you are homophobic and mysoginistic.

You are more than just Islamophobic because you are claiming the right to spread dislike and prejudice about people who are French citizens. You made a very definite point of saying that. Really you are just wasting time and I do not have time to waste.

I see, you are making it very definite that there is only one people you want to get rid of one way or another, most who are in France being French citizens and having as much right to be there as yourself. My point was that if we had wanted to act towards our terrorists as you do about yours then there would have been genocide in Northern Ireland.

Now however you are going back on what you said before and illustrating that your hatred is because of one of the stereotype racist kinds.

this again is not the truth. Just an attempt for you to try to rid France of the people who you associate with 'hobo's stinking of alcohol and piss.

You are wasting my time. You have made your position clear.

 

Jews are slaughtered by your muslim friends in France.

I see so are we getting nearer a racist reason - which includes other prejudices like gays, women or a particular religion.

I don't care, they want to kill my family, I dislike them. Simply as that, and I won't support the murder of people I love.

I'm not saying the truth ? Quran S9 V5, S47 V35 , S3V28, S2V191 and so on.

 

Always trying to deflect. So all Muslims are now killing all Jews in France? I do not think so. Jews and Muslims in France have a particular difficulty due to many of them being Algerian and Jews fought on the side of the French when they were annihilating the Muslims there. This is something they need to sort out as if you have your wish and France turns fascist, both will be in danger. You starting to use the same terminology which was used on Jews prior to the holocaust is simply another example of the same thinking.

You consider yourself far too important. No one would be interested in your family. Terrorists kill Muslims just the same as everyone else.

So these versions of the Koran tell Muslims to kill all French people. I do not believe a word of it. Muslim haters try to find a bit of the Koran to then take out of context and then use that as an excuse for harmful action against all Muslims. In the Koran, Mohamed says people have the right to choose their own religion. People of the book, that is Jews and Muslims are to be respected. You read the Koran like ISIS reads it and like Fundamental Christians read the bible and the only motivation you had in getting that text whatever it was, was to try and spread hatred.

You would do better working on getting the political situation sorted out and taking responsibility for the actions of the French Government.

You have supported Fascism in Hungary. You also support Le Penn. Your 'other' is Muslims. You claim you do not support all of fascism. I have told you that if you support that coming into being and it succeeds you will have no ability to say which bit you support and which bit you do not support. Hence normally a person who was not a misogynist, who did not want gays harmed and who supported as you have said you do democracy would not support those who are fascist. The choice is yours. I am just making sure you know what you are supporting/where you want France to go.

 

Nah, he would hate that last guy, way WAY too successful.

 

Many people I know could have been killed if they were 5 minutes sooner or later to some place. A part of this claim is false. The vast majority of people killed by muslim terrorists come from countries with muslim majorities but it doesn't mean all of them are muslims. For instance copt christians paid a heavy price to terrorism and come from a country with a muslim majority.

Exactly to not call to peace when they will be in position of superiority. They won't kill all french people, if they submit and convert, they will survive.

The all mighty context, when the quran says "kill", you should understand "hug", it's funny, because in the rare passages of the quran where it says to be tolerant, I never heard someone saying "it's taking out of context". You consider the "context" who doesn't change anything, because we're not speaking of a book written by a man, but the quran is supposed to be writtin by an almighty and all knowing and all wise god.

Mohamed says nothing, he is supposed to tell the word of his blood god Allah. And all of that were in early surates, every muslim scholar consider the order the surate were revealed to interpret the quran, and the last "complete" surate of the quran says : make pay jews and christian pay the jizyah while being humiliated and kill the polytheist (people who commit association) wherever they find them unless they convert to Islam.
Anyway people I love aren't "people of the book", they're polytheist under muslim standarts, so they will be murdered wherever they're found under muslim standarts.

I don't read it in a way very different from muslims : most muslims in Morroco and Algeria are for legally enforce ramadan, or to forbid muslim women to marry non muslim.

I was against any intervention in Syria or Lybia and let Gaddhafi and Assad kill whoever they wanted in their respective countries.

You mean Lepennec ? Such a nice guy yes. I don't know any Le Penn so I can't support any Le Penn.

France will know the same fate than Algeria, Lebanon and Syria : civil war because of islamic groups. It's too late.

 

Hungary though is still one step ahead of the US and I seem to remember in this thread a lot of American right were slavering over Hungary.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/20/hungary-passes-anti-immigrant-stop-soros-laws


for 'illegal immigrants' read those claiming Asylum



How long till the US puts such laws in?

 

whats fascist about rejecting theocracy?

 

"Hungary’s parliament has passed a series of laws that criminalise any individual or group that offers to help an illegal immigrant claim asylum."

We should have such a law in the US

 

No surprise there. I notice you are past the point of denial. How long I wonder. 'Illegal' is refugee or Asylum seeker.