It will be. Watch. When you get punched in the nose, do you just curl up and cry or do you fight? No winning a nuclear war? You have no idea... Once the nukes have stopped falling, if you are still alive, you are going to need a gun, and that piece of conventional firearm will mean everything to you. The language your children speak will depend on your ability to defend yourself.
I agree that survivors would need guns to protect themselves from their fellow citizens in the anarchic dystopia that would result from a limited nuclear war. In the aftermath of a full blown global nuclear war it won't much matter what language you speak because the nation and culture you knew would no longer exist.
And? They will be when the new pipeline is complete and Germany finishes sitting down their coal generators. This was just reported. Uh. Wrong war dude. Research Desert Storm. And wrong again. The sanctions imposed and violated were from NATO, not the US. So I ask again... the left constantly says we have a military industrial complex and we're spending too much on defense. Does 3.5% of GDP seem excessive to you? And when the new pipeline and agreement are complete? I have also taken the liberty to remove all your childish banter. I own 4 successful companies, and have obtained multiple post secondary degrees. Have you? I don't need to validate my intelligence, and you screaming "YOU'RE STUPID" to defend your position just makes you look desperate.
Here's nato's site. https://www.nato.int/ Heres' nato assessement of member spending https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2018_03/20180315_180315-pr2018-16-en.pdf
Your the one with no idea. Just because some people live doesn't mean that a nuclear war is winnable. After the bombs stop there will be no Russian's running around the US and no Americans Running around Russia. What you need a gun for is to defend yourself against the raging masses looking for food and water in the zombie apocalypse. After the killing stops - if you are still alive - Farmland will be no problem. Trying to get something to grow in radioactively contaminated soil .. that is the problem. Finding non contaminated drinking water .. that is another problem. 450 nuclear blasts is enough to rain significant fallout on every square inch of soil in the continental US. Russia can drop 4000 .. those that are ready to go and they have another 3500 that could be made ready to go.
Should the enemy press any advantage they may have gained and be able to put boots on the ground in America to any significant degree we will need to use conventional firearms to defend against and repel that incursion. I see there is an idea that many here share that in the event of a nuclear exchange, all hostilities would cease afterward. I don't believe that at all. I also don't believe the world will be obliterated by a global nuclear war...
Look at the NATO operating budget. That is the direct cost of NATO. Military budgets of member nations is not part of NATO's budget. https://www.nato.int/cps/ie/natohq/topics_67655.htm I find it bizarre that this simple fact is lost on anti Nato trumpettes and their allies. Willful ignorance, perhaps?
Well why would we not consider Military Budgets and active military personal responding to NATO's initiatives? That doesn't seem fair, since we bear the brunt of that responsibility. The military cost should absolutely be considered when discussing who is financially supporting NATO and their missions.
No you don't bear the brunt of the responsibility. And each nation carries specific responsibilities to contribute to the NATO order of battle in any number of battle plans. It is not a passive organization that sits around waiting for an alarm bell to ring. Yes total military expenditures as expressed as % of gdp is an important management metric, and some nations need to contribute more, which they all recognize. But, to spout bullshit about being ripped off by europe and they owe all this money to nato and all the other frankly embarassing ignorant trumpian pronouncements on the world stage, is the willful ignorance of blind partisanship.
Im sorry you don't like facts, or at least facts are inconvenient to your position. We, by far, contribute more to NATO than any other country. Looking at some of the low contributions, coupled with low country GDP, it is in fact a logical argument to say that the US is supporting Europe through the organization. Let's talk real dollars. Not percentage of GDP. Add up all of Europe's equalized contributions to defense and compare that to the US. How can you even suggest we aren't supporting the arrangement?
It seems facts are bouncing off you. How much does the US contribute to NATO? Provide me with your facts. NOt what the entire US military budget is, but how much of that do they contribute to NATO vs how much of each members military budget contribute to NATO. I bet you won't supply that data because it will show how wrong you are. I never suggested that America doesn't support NATO, AMERICA CREATED NATO. I said trump's attitude and misrepresentations are bullshit. Not at all the same thing.
We shall see Certainly. We will provide $4.8B (with a B) in 2018. https://www.defense.gov/News/Articl...n-reassurance-initiative-grows-to-47-billion/ https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar..._whatever_happened_to_make_em_pay_112983.html Oh, I provided it. And how does that $4.8B compare to European nations: NATO data shows, the U.K. spent $55.3 billion and Germany $45 billion, compared to Canada’s $22.4 billion. The U.S. represented a 71.1 percent share of the alliance’s combined defense expenditure. Wait a minute Jonsa. The facts seem to indicate that the US expenditures in Europe alone is 10% of the TOTAL Germany military spending? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/tru...valid-europe-isnt-spending-enough-on-def.html All the while, Europe holds a $140B TRADE SURPLUS against the US. So... let me get this straight. We are supporting the European Union, by providing $4.8B in spending in the European Theater alone... not to mention our militaries other obligations around the world, and all the while they are showing a massive trade surplus? All of that is sourced facts... what say you?
UNBELIEVABLE. You want to compare the total American military budget to that of the total budgets of the other nato countries? That is stupid and not even remotely relevant to WTF NATO is all about. BTW, that 4.1 Billion is IN ADDITION TO THE $35 BILLION the US spends on its OWN EUROPEAN OPERATIONS. In total in defense of Europe the European nations spend $240 Billion. The US spends $39 (including the 4.1) by its own reckoning. This isn't rocket surgery. If you can't grasp these basic fundamentals and concept that somehow everyone should spend as much as the US spends in maintaining THE AMERICAN GLOBAL MILITARY PRESENCE and own NATIONAL DEFENSE is nonsensical and distressingly naive. I don't expect some to cipher that out tho.
Ok. Let me ask you this. IF the US pulled out of NATO, do you think NATO could address threats from Russia?
That doesn't change the fact that Germany is a huge pile of free-loading back-stabbing horse-****. Working side deals with Putin, Russia runs a trade surplus with Germany, while Germany sits under our Arms Umbrella as a US Protectorate while Germany runs a surplus against US. Essentially Germany acts as the wealth transfer conduit of US wealth to Putin, confidence that if Putin threatens Germany that America will protect Germany. Meanwhile, self-defense "partner" trains with broomsticks. Less than a third of German military assets are operational says report >Number of weapon systems ready for action: Typhoon jets: 39 of 128 Tornado jets: 26 of 93 CH-53 transport helicopters: 16 of 72 NH-90 transport helicopters: 13 of 58 Tigre attack helicopters: 12 of 62 A400M transport aircraft: 3 of 15 Leopard 2 tanks: 105 of 224 Frigates: 5 of 13 Submarines: 0 out of 6 That's the entire Bundeswehr. Nobody else in (western) Europe is doing much better. Compare that to the TOE for a single US Mechanized Infantry Division. Throw in a little air cover from the zoomies, and the US Division would mop the floor with the entire Bundeswehr. And the US Army has 20 divisions, give or take, about half of them active. No wonder NATO is squealing like a stuck pig at Trump's demands that they pull their weight. Take their Trade Surpluses, contact our Arms Suppliers, and start filling up the Shopping Cart.
Yes. TAke a whole bunch of reorganization, but yes they could. They do spend 6 times what russia does on its military and they have enough nukes to do the job should it come to that.
It also doesn't change the fact that your opinion isn't fact and you are just as full of bullshit. NOt that I dispute the bundeswehr report despite your misrepresentative outdated list. Its is a serious issue that needs addressing and increased budgets is one of the ways of doing it. go figger. But keep up the mental contortions and misrepresentations.
