Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

I don't like Trump. He is a very big liar, a huge liar. He constantly flip flops on every position, and he isn't qualified to be the president. His policies are bad for working people. I am on the left spectrum, Bernie wing, and I can see through this hysteria. But you have to be principled and really research and delve into things carefully before you assume things as fact, especially when no evidence is presented.

Even if Russia hacked the DNC, (which is 100% plausible), what was revealed was the truth. The truth about the Clinton's corruption, the truth about Clinton completely rigging the Democratic electoral process, etc.. Do you wish we never saw this info? This is valuable info that we all should've seen as these things are all bonded into our democracy. You see we don't even talk about what was in those e-mails anymore because of this Russia hysteria. If the Clinton's weren't working the DNC, Bernie could very well have been the candidate and beat Trump. All of this concludes to the fact, that what was released in those e-mails was the truth, and if it influenced people, well it was Hillary Clinton's own actions that she lost, the fact that she is a liar, and so corrupt.

No problem for the videos, any time.

 

None are so blind as those who cannot see!!!THE OBVIOUS!!

 

First it’s there was no Russian interference.
Then it was there was no collusion.
Now it’s show me the proof to back up the indictments.

We all know what comes next. You get shown the proof and you refuse to accept it. You search for any reason you can to disbelieve it.

You don’t want to be wrong. You’ll do anything to avoid it. Even betray yourself.

 

NAAAAAZZZIIII!

 

the Grand Jury indictment proves the evidence that Russia hacked our election is solid.

 

did you read the NY Times article?

there's a lot of evidence there.

and a lot more evidence will come out in the trials.

 

Then actually go about making your case for how such amounts to treason under the united states constitution.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Demonstrate precisely how Donald Trump went about committing treason, by not violently disagreeing with Vladamir Putin right to his face about his statement.

 

No it does not. If it proves that the evidence is solid, how come those in the intelligence community don't come forward with some actual evidence to show the American people, that what they're saying is true?

 

It is still a great country and will remain. Our land, our people and our constitution will survive the pack of lying thieving scoundrels in control of both political parties now just like we survived both Johnson's, Woodrow Wilson, Dick Nixon and The Bush's...At least now we are not sending our young men off to die in great numbers for wars of profit like we did in WW I, Vietnam or Iraq.... We will get through this mess and come through even stronger and greater than ever. Cheers.

 

My understanding is that Cheney and Bush foisted the WMD idea on the American public so that we would support an attack.
Bush wanted to kill Sadaam since he tried to murder George W Bush after he was out of office.
Also, we may not be privy to the evidence for national security reasons. Who knows, but I notice that the Trump flock blindly
believes Trump no matter what he says.

 

I am curious,... do you think that Russia is incapable of doing such stuff, or uninterested, or both

Fwiw, your two videos are from Russia today which would hardly be considered a neutral source in this question

 

Maybe not....

White House entertaining Russian proposal to interrogate U.S. citizens

CBS News· 6 minutes ago

Ambassador Michael McFaul, whom the Kremlin accuses of committing crimes in Russia. "Russian...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-entertaining-russian-proposal-to-interrogate-u-s-citizens/

 

So, you seem to be saying that all information should be laid out in public..and if it has not been it does not exist..correct? No doubt that is also how Russian intelligence operates

You are aware that you are citing an “intelligence authority “ who retired 15 years before the events in question. A guy who is relying on technical capabilities that he studied at least 5 years before the I phone was released.... it is possible the technological capabilities have improved over the last 20 years

 

The FBI,CIA, and NSA uncovered Russia's attack upon the US democratic process to help Trump and hurt Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.

Such vile activities by a regime that invades sovereign nations, conducts political assassinations, bombs innocents to keep a Syrian tyrant in power, and suppresses free speech by political opposition in his own nation does nothing to lend credibility to his pretense not to have done what he did.

The 66% of Americans who recognize the perfidy of Putin's Russia are not about to be fooled by him.

The Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee reviewed and confirmed the intelligence services' unanimous finding, as did Trump's Secretary of State.

Such covert subversion of an election by Russia is consistent with Russian interference confirmed in several other western democracies.

There is no way of knowing precisely how much Putin perverted the US election, but, as a patriotic imperative, it is essential that the nature and extent of Putin's sinister machinations to further Russia's interests be exposed.

There is a broad, bipartisan consensus concerning the hostile attack, and a need to prevent Putin from similarly befouling future elections in the US.

Only a few insecure personality cultists are in denial of the reality that conflicts with their blind faith and are eager to surrender to Putin.

 

This President's speech/behavior isn't worth debating with reasonable people. Just VOTE BLUE at every opportunity on the local, state and Federal levels.

You see, Trump's problem-filled ways, are ENABLED by the GOP itself; that is very clear.

 

I agree.

 

Okay.

 

If 'Russians' aren't contributing here with their mind-numbing propaganda... I would be extremely surprised.

 

Of course I believe it is plausible Russia did it. I don't discount that premise. But I need to see hard evidence. While those two videos I posted are from RT, the man who is being interviewed is a man with over 30 years of experience at the NSA, and he's going to the few networks (one of which is RT) which will give him a voice. CNN, ABC,NBC, etc. will never put this guy on TV, because the Russia narrative is making them bank.

 

Where is the evidence? All these conclusions are nice and dandy, but there needs to be some provided evidence carefully crafted and put out in front of the American people. You cannot simply believe these claims because the govt is putting them out. In Syria we have aided and funded jihadists, through our intelligence agencies. Supposedly we bombed Assad's chemical facility when it looks like in actuality we bombed a medical facility. Plus if we bombed a chemical weapons facility why were people walking there like the next day like nothing?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...xic-weapons/story-e2OIzVf2RqPMMuRK0XdK0H.html

 

Bill Binney has enormous experience in NSA, yes technology got better over time, but he has been there I believe until 2001 and is very qualified, even aided in creating ThinThread in the 90's before it was terminated till 2001.

 

Putun looks at what is tearing down our country...the dems trying to queerify America, tearing down borders, turning the US in Mexico, confiscating the guns and on and on. Everything the dems do tears the country part and hurts national security. Putin is having a good laugh at the US...just waiting for the right time.

 

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Actually, Putin's agents have been spreading exactly the kind of agitprop you are regurgitating in this post. That was one way they discouraged people from voting Democrat and encouraged them to vote for Trump.

 

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