Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

This appears to be the lastest Trumpsters excuse.

Now that Trumpsters can't deny that Russians meddled anymore, they're excusing it.

 

Explain precisely what the supposed meddling amounted to, that actually made any difference in the matter.

 

I am not a Trumper, just a student of History

 

This wasn't meddling. It was a military cyber attack with malicious intent. And moral equivalency and whataboutism will not render it any less than that.

I get you are more than willing to forgive Putin and just let him get away with slipping his fist up America's arse.

Seems on the one hand you cheer to Make america great again and on the other you claim America to be a nefarious aggressive adversary who screws with everyone so Putin ain't so bad because America is worse.

who knew patriotism is relative.

 

I am a realist that thinks that forging a new world order with an aligned USA and Russia is a good thing. If that means ignoring an attempt at meddling in our elections then so be it. At some we are either going to have to fight the Russians or learn to live with them. I prefer to live with them. I dont care about Trump, his slogans, or his imbecility, if he sets us on a path of peace with Russia it will benefit the whole world.

 

Most Americans are perceptive patriots, who form conclusions based upon credible evidence, and refuse to surrender to a KGB thug befouling the US democratic process to further Russia's sinister interests.

A few happily wallow in the stuff, and they need to keep their eyes closed very, very tight.

 

The equivocation never stops. Remember when Trumpette's denied there were contacts between campaign staff and Russians? The walk back is......."no collusion" (even though that's an open question).
Trumpette's can't deny (though they still do) Russia tried to influence the outcome of the election any more.
The walk back is.........okay but it didn't change the outcome (even though that's an open question).

Behavior by a sitting prez once thought to be unthinkable is now routine. As bad as that fact is in and of itself, what makes matters worse is the willing acceptance.......not only by the Cult of Denial.........but by congressional Repubs.

 

And if someone thinks it was only facebook ads, they aren't smart enough to vote either.

 

Not nearly as bad as donald's.

The consensus opinion of the entire US intelligence community versus donald, Sean and Vladimir?

Easy one for me. Even if we didn't have corroborating evidence, as anyone who was here during the campaign season knows.

 

Sure it is. It shows that the argument is based an a wholly biased source (and Russian government propaganda tool) that isn't creditworthy.

 

The original claim was that no one in donald's administration ever had contact with the Russians during the campaign.

 

And so is Vlad. And they are about the only people saying Russia didn't influence the US election. Aside from a few RW propaganda media nuts.

So why are you believing very big, huge liars?

 

Thank you for making my point.

Of course, whether it made a difference or not is immaterial,

Agents of a rival power, under the direction of the chief of state, launched a well organized and financed cyber war against the United States beginning around 2013. Their campaign focused, in part, on using social media to push Russian propaganda and pro Russian positions. They also worked hard to promote the idea the elections were not legitimate, that our institutions weren't trustworthy ,and the democracy and a free press were enemies.

Right wingers on this forum started parroting Russian propaganda as early as 2013, and were doing it on social media as well.

The campaign intensified through 2014 and 2015.

By the winter of 2015-6, they had accelerated their efforts, and had hacked the DNC servers.

About that time, they at least flirted with the idea of turning their machinery to the aid of Donald Trump.

This was also about the time Oleg Deripashka's man, Paul Manafort was installed as Trump's campaign chairman. He would offer the Russians secret insider briefings on the goings on in the Trump campaign.

Thus, Russian operatives informed the Trump campaign that they had the DNC e-mails in April of 2016.

They made an approach, through the Russian operative Nataliya Valnitskya the following month, offering "dirt". Instead of alerting law enforcement to the crime, the Trump team convened all hands on deck to hear the dirt. Trump even announced a news conference to share the "dirt". It turned out to be a test drive, and there was no dirt. The press conference disappeared in the midst of Trump noise.

By this time, key figures in the Trump campaign were meeting with Russian operatives more or less regularly. This was noticed by intelligence agencies all over the world , who alerted the FBI. Their investigation began in June.

A month later, the Trump campaign descended on the GOP Platform Committee to insure that the plank supporting arming Ukraine was removed. They exerted a lot of pressure. They didn't ask a single question about any other part of the platform.

The following month, after the press got wind of secret cash payments form Viktor Yanokovich to Manafort, he was gone.

His replacement was Robert Mercer, who installed his people on the Trump team. Mercer owned Cambridge Analytica, a data mining and election influence operation, which had come to prominence using a database that they had obtained via fraudulent means using a fake academic survey. Cambridge's exact role has yet to be fully reveled.

Like the Trump Foundation, Cambridge Analytica quickly disappeared under the light of scrutiny, and their remaining officers are trying to bury the evidence. Russians were involved in Cambridge's UK operations, which were also part of the Brexit campaign, another early Russian influence effort.

The Russians social media campaign reached 80+% of American voters.

Trump won by 78,000 votes. That's a hit rate of .005% of the entire sample. Direct mail ,the lest effective advertsing is 40 times more effective.

It cannot be proven with certainty the the Russians changed a single vote. But Trump supporters on this very forum parroted Russian propaganda and faked news sites throughout the campaign (and either go silent or dishonestly deny it now). They were the useful idiots who spread the Russian poison throughout social media.

But there is no doubt in the minds of any intelligence agency in the world that they tried hard, and are running a very large and sophisticated campaign.

Just as there is no doubt that Trump supporters here and elsewhere are still falling for it.

 

You start a thread based on the Russian propaganda outlet "Russia Today" and ask where is the evidence of Russian interference?

Anyone who was here during the election saw how Russian anti-Clinton propaganda was disseminated n the web in sites like this one.

 

It’s the same word we’ve always used for people who sided with the Russians against the United States. Let’s hope a reckoning comes sooner rather than later.

 

Despite all of this, however, Donald Trump still lost the popular vote. Meaning more citizens of the united states voted for Hillary Clinton than did Donald Trump. The only reason Donald Trump became president of the united states is because of the votes by the electoral college.

Unless agents for the nation of Russia were able to infiltrate the electoral college, and cast the vote for Donald Trump themselves, the entire argument about interference sounds like little more than the nation of Russia yelling "the democrats suck!" due to disliking Barack Obama. A great many united states citizens were doing this well before the cited time frame, and have been doing so for many decades.

 

Agreed that there is no evidence the illegal actions of the Russians changed a single vote, but if someone took a shot at me and missed, I’d still be pissed.

In the present, it’s disconcerting that 1) Our own President denies the Russians did this, 2) Our own President undermines our own intelligence agencies while 3) simultaneously applauding the Russians and declaring they are not a threat.

 

"Russia Hacked the Election" is a simplistic lie from the left, told by the msm every hour of every day since 2016.

We've had these things before, like "Bush Lied, People Died".

Leftist thinking doesn't go deeper than a bumper sticker.

 

Which president of the united states has not constantly changed their official story when addressing the public whenever one controversy or another arose?

What is being observed with regard to Donald Trump is not anything new. He is simply not as practiced in spinning deceit as a career politician would be, whose entire business is to hold public office for as long as possible.

 

Translation: You are correct, Max. Trump did exactly as you say.

Now if we could just hear Trump admit it.

 

Yes, it was very obvious.

Many of us pointed out. Right wingers usually defended playing the useful idiot, as they obviously still are.

 

I can't think of a single world leader who goes out and changes his story practically every time he speaks.

I'll have to add this one to the growing collection of weak Trumpster rationalizations.

The useful idiots are getting pathetic now.

 

Sorry, but this attempt to rationalize the entire Russian effort (at least you didn't waste anyone's time by trying to deny it). won't fly either.

For the Russians, it was a Hail Mary pass. They didn't think they were going to succeed at installing a President any more than Trump did.

But their aim was to sow discord, divide the country, destroy our long standing alliances, and make the world better for Russia.

They were successful in much of this even without their man winning the election.

Since the election, of course, Trump has done his level best to sow discord, divide the country, destroy our long standing alliances, and make the world better for Russia. Putin couldn't have been more pleased on Tuesday. He was practically gloating. Several Russian MP's did gloat (as they had the day Trump was elected).

Trump was, and still is, twisting in his own wind.

But this seems to be the new TRumpster line.

After a year and a half of denying Russian meddling, and trying to ignore the growing evidence of collusion, you all have finally got to the very weak assertion that just because the they might have not got the outcome they wanted, the effort didn't exist.

Which is like saying that the bank robbery wasn't attempted because the money is still in the vault.

Only in this case, it isn't.

But this is interesting:

".... yelling "the democrats suck!" due to disliking Barack Obama"

It escaped the notice of most Trumpsters that Barack Obama was not the candidate.

But Trump's virulent and constant race baiting, and his constant attacks on his predecessor underlined the real attitude of many Trump supporters. Six months later, they would be making excuses for Klansmen and skinheads, and Trump would still be race baiting (as he still is).

 

The OP is fake news.

there is a great deal of evidence that Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta and coordinated with Wikileaks to release the info at times that were most advantageous for Trump and bad for Hillary.

 

There was discord and division of the united states long before Donald Trump was ever elected as president of the united states.