Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

Deliberate and purposeful sarcastic ridicule.

 

Of such homicidal sociopsychopathic suicidal super egos of liberal Islam Christiananality pedophile mentality.

 

Actually I am a passive mentally stable somewhat humble moderate Agnostic/Atheist hot woman lover....but hey, go ahead and project your fantasies.

 

Doubt there are any fantasies in the statistical probability of sociopsychopathic Islam-Christian cross conditioning responses to stimuli.

 

I understand you have no doubts....others however....do. Especially when you....

Run on sentences of gibberish laden accusation that offer no explanation of the reasoning behind what seems little more than diatribe intended to debase things you seem to be fixated on or somewhat confused about likely due to purposeful ignorance of topics you find interesting and important that everyone else finds strangely boring and quite confusing in the lack of context presented by the interesting ways in which you attempt communication.

 

How much is too much?

 

No doubts protecting & serving liberal Christians being one & the same at the same time in bashing any attempts at exposing their more perfect union of an Islam & Christianity second coming thru 9/11 is rather lynching enforcement at it's super ego "man is God" supreme churchstate tautology folly.

 

Any at all.

 

Oh, well then, how frustrating it must be for you to exist after the year 4000 BC.

 

Are you implying empathy and compassion became a government emotion after that date?

 

You can see from N's subsequent replies that he adamantly rules out the possibility of central oversight
to achieve a minimum level of prosperity for all, despite the continual advance of technology that will indeed enable this outcome.

This is an informative debate highlighting different world-views, between Left and Right.

As for a global perspective: the UN itself has been called Leftist/Liberal by the Right, who are most likely to despise it as "useless", though of course it's the UNSC veto, insisted on by the great powers against the will of smaller nations (during a time when the cold-war had yet to be played out) - that crippled the UN from the start.

Obviously the Left are more sympathetic to the vision of a world without war, in favour of adoption of Rule of Law; globally this would imply settlement of international disputes in an International Court set up to rule on such international issues.

[Rule of Law of course implies a balance between individual freedom and prosperous well-ordered communities; such balance requires continuous adjustment, but the goal must always be kept in view.]

Again highlighting a difference between Left and Right; an instinctive 'survival of the fittest' appears to be at the core of the of the Right's world view.

As for history, we do appear to have moved along from the government-sanctioned spectacles in the Colosseum, toward more empathetic times...and I think Christ would be quite pleased with the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, if not with the general failure to implement it.

[NB There is a 'conservatism' among some Dems who think the US must forever maintain its position as world-policeman; while some Libertarians (normally considered as RW) accept that times change and nations ought to be responsible for their own security....obviously avoidance of arms races in an environment of established international law which can manage such issues, is the better way to go].

 

As if survival of the fittest fascists implies compassion & empathy could almost swear this is more of the Federal Lynching churchstate of hate doctrine of this Christian Nation where to make SCOTUS so off this planet supreme as a swastika up Uranus court where the Federal Lynching churchstate; which brought another Islam-Christian more perfect union marriage thru 9/11 to the US while lynching one for the assassination of JFK, where being at SCOTUS with no television as if so dang lily brilliant white their immaculate drug conceptions are the law of the land as are mention of an immaculate " any union of Islam & Christianity " conception to suicidal sociopsychopathic homicidal human farming techniques in "death to the infidels" &/or "serve the Pope or die" of thieving US Constitution - old -glory - old testament arsonists .

 

IIRC, you have stated in the past that war is a solution to present global problems.

Is this still your view?

If so, you are not entitled to dismiss my exploration of how money is created - by simply claiming my ideas are nonsense, since war is the ultimate failure of reason (especially modern war which would be fought purely for economic reasons).

eg, you failed to explain how the amount of money in the world increases as the population increases, bearing in mind that we all come into the world with nothing and are unable to contribute to the economy for c. 20 years.

(Also bear in mind that if for some reason all money disappeared from the world, we would still keep growing food and extracting resources to build houses).

 

Farmers borrow from the bank (or their own wealth) to grow crops on the speculation thst people will pay them more than the costs for what they grow

If our financial system crashed like you propose, why would farmers be able or willing to do what it takes to grow crops at the rate they do today?

 

It's important to understand I merely create this scenario (of a world without money) to demonstrate that money itself has no intrinsic value.

So to answer your specific question: farmers would certainly be "willing to grow crops" in order to stay alive
until such time as a functioning global financial system was created.

And further more, those people able to supply the necessary inputs to the farmers would also be willing to do so without monetary compensation, in order that they too can stay alive (by ensuring that they have food to eat) until a functioning financial system was created, and so on.

Survival trumps money - and money ought to be created, alongside money creation in the private sector ie, in the public sector by government decree, to enable universal above poverty level participation in the economy.


Meanwhile, recall the insanity of the capitalist Great Depression.

The workers, ready, willing, and able, were locked outside of the factories which were fully stocked with all the necessary resources required to commence production; all that was needed was some one to go in and press the 'start button', yet it was not done! (apart from the fact that armed police were there to stop anyone entering). War eventually intervened.....

And today, an entire country (Venezuela) is being abandoned because a drop in the price of oil (as opposed to it's intrinsic value) has destroyed its economy. Yet orthodox neo-liberal economics would certainly not have saved Venezuela - just look at non-socialist Greece, which apparently has just exit-ed payments to the IMF, but is now saddled with a debt burden that demands government to increase taxes, decrease pensions and shrink public sector services, all adding up to misery for the Greeks for the next 130 years at least. Detroit too....destroyed by unmanaged competition; the failures of neoliberal economics ("free markets") are legion.

Moral of the story.. make sure you never go into debt, unless you are absolutely sure you can repay it. I already mentioned the reality of debt-saddled Indian farmers committing suicide, if they happen to be 'blessed' with a bountiful harvest that results in price falls and inability to service their debt! Fatal 'speculation' indeed.

 

The point isn't whether THEY would stay alive. The point is that they would have decidedly less motivation to attempt to grow food for those who had no method of compensation.

This also makes no sense. You're pretending there is only one thing a farmer needs, that there aren't people who are neither farmer nor supplier of the farmer's needs (meaning the vast majority of the nation and in many cases, the world), etc. Farmers require equipment, parts, fuel, electricity, water, access to food themselves (as what they grow isn't instantly ready whenever the family gets hungry), and all sorts of other stuff.

And, then you talk about building another financial system.

Sorry guy. We HAVE a financial system. And, we don't need the world wide suffering and starvation that you prescribe.

 

The Great Depression was bad. If you were proposing some specific mechanism to help that not happen again, then say what that is. You might win some votes.

Greece partied like there was no tomorrow. Their problem is that there IS a tomorrow, and it's TODAY! You can't blame the IMF for that.

Oil prices are very definitely NOT the significant problem of Venezuela. Obviously, that doesn't help. But again, you've found a country with unbelievably horrible leadership.

If you want to propose changes to be made in order to help Greece and Venezuela, feel free.

 

No, the point is that money has no intrinsic value; it is, as you yourself have said, merely a convenient measure to facilitate economic exchange.

In this example, remaining alive is the immediate compensation, no "motivation" required! (though as a defender of orthodox neoliberal economics, (and likely "America First") you likely will not follow my argument that money has no intrinsic value.

See above; I'm not pretending anything. Yes, a farmer needs financial reward for growing food so that he can participate in the economy; but we all need to be able to participate in the economy at above poverty level.

Of course. Blind Charlie can see that the present system is dysfunctional for around half the world's population

(I'm patient!). It's the present world wide suffering and starvation that I want to eliminate. (Yes, even in Detroit, with some of the highest poverty and gun violence rates in the US). Only a hopeless neoliberal ideologue would say I am prescribing world wide suffering and starvation.

 

See J.M Keynes "clearing union" concept (to which all nations would belong), to deal with the damaging effects of nations exhibiting persistent trade surpluses and deficits. (Trump is currently extremely agitated by US trade deficits).
Plus an IMF authorised to create money (in the required currencies) to enable governments to deal with economic problems beyond their own control, in their own countries, without pauperising the population through enforced repayment of IMF-funded debt.

See above. Apparently the Greeks are now experiencing the longest working week in the EU, definitely no party.

Obviously, the socialist revolution in Venezuela would not have fallen apart (regardless of the level of government competence) if oil had stayed at $200/barrel.

Outlined above.

Universal (global) prosperity (not to be conflated with "equality of outcome") needs a reformed Keynesian IMF with access to all the facts and figures re every nation's physical and intellectual resources, to manage free market failure by printing money as described (consistent with sustainable development of resources).

 

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See J.M Keynes "clearing union" concept (to which all nations would belong), to deal with the damaging effects of nations exhibiting persistent trade surpluses and deficits. (Trump is currently extremely agitated by US trade deficits).
Plus an IMF authorised to create money (in the required currencies) to enable governments to deal with economic problems beyond their own control, in their own countries, without pauperising the population through enforced repayment of IMF-funded debt.

See above. Apparently the Greeks are now experiencing the longest working week in the EU, definitely no party.

Obviously, the socialist revolution in Venezuela would not have fallen apart (regardless of the level of government competence) if oil had stayed at $200/barrel.

Outlined above.

Universal (global) prosperity (not to be conflated with "equality of outcome") needs a reformed Keynesian IMF with access to all the facts and figures re every nation's physical and intellectual resources, to manage free market failure by printing money as described (consistent with sustainable development of resources).

 

See J.M Keynes "clearing union" concept (to which all nations would belong), to deal with the damaging effects of nations exhibiting persistent trade surpluses and deficits. (Trump is currently extremely agitated by US trade deficits).
Plus an IMF authorised to create money (in the required currencies) to enable governments to deal with economic problems beyond their own control, in their own countries, without pauperising the population through enforced repayment of IMF-funded debt.

See above. Apparently the Greeks are now experiencing the longest working week in the EU, definitely no party.

Obviously, the socialist revolution in Venezuela would not have fallen apart (regardless of the level of government competence) if oil had stayed at $200/barrel.

Outlined above.

Universal (global) prosperity (not to be conflated with "equality of outcome") needs a reformed Keynesian IMF with access to all the facts and figures re every nation's physical and intellectual resources, to manage free market failure by printing money as described (consistent with sustainable development of resources).

 

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