BREAKING: Paul Manafort found guilty on eight counts

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  1. k995

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    The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct particular to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order.

    It seems campaign violations certainly falls under that, but do you think that serious enough? After all that seems more a technicality then any serious crime.

    And clinton wasnt impeached, they tried to impeach him but he was acquitted .

    There is no court, in this case mueller would deliver a report and based on that (and on whatever defense trump would come up with) congress would vote.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    so why did trump want the investigations to end? He's soft on white criminals that he associates with.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Maxine Waters wants trump impeached. So she will probably vote to impeach him if given the chance.
     
  4. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Super Max, with no cheeseburgers or tweets!
     
  5. Durandal

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    At least as long as they remain loyal. As soon as they defy the Childlike Emperor, though, proverbial head-rolling is bound to ensue.
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    He should be in a dungeon hanging by his thumbs.
     
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    Nice Springer !!
     
  8. Chuck711

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    Tired of a President who spends more time hiding behind a Legion of Lawyers that work constantly keeping him out of Prison !

    What's normal for Trump is just abnormal behavior for a President of the " Free World "
     
  9. AmericanNationalist

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    Yeah well, she's her own special nutcase. No normal politician, with barely a glimmer of knowledge of US History would vote for impeachment due to paying mistresses. Is it 'unsavory'? Sure. Illegal? No. Improper for a POTUS? Only if he's married(which he is) but again, no Congress ever is gonna vote on that.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    No
    That is conjecture.

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    OK your point being what, the FBI thinks Guccifer was Russian.


    And they usually start with a crime to investigate and take years when people refuse to cooperate like whenever the Clintons are investigated. Everyone has cooperated here.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    How self-serving of Schumer and the Democrats declare Trump is going to do it and then try to attack him because that proves he is going to do it.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Correct he had her sign a false affidavit which he submitted to a federal court setting her up for a term in a federal prison. And that was a felony. Trump entered into a business agreement with a woman who violated it for personal gain.

    He has every right to attack her for violating the agreement and her interaction was not with a President of the United States and was a private consensual matter. Why are you so interested in it?

    Oh you want to change that ENTIRE law because of your hatred for Trump...............geez. You know you guys called Ken Starr a pantie sniffer because he investigated the President of the United States using his power as President to pay off a young woman who he had a sexual relationship with claiming that even though he carried out that affair under his official position saying it was private and none of our business.

    Who are the pantie sniffers now?
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    Yep and shame on them and any of the women who consensually engage in sex with them knowing they were married. Both parties are to be shamed don't you think?

    But what crimes, and what about the crimes after the fact with Clinton and what the Democrats and MSM wanted done about those? Should Trump be treated different if so why? Clinton's sexual behavior was FAR worse than anything Trump is accused of with either of these two women and what happened to him? What do want to happen to Trump about Daniels?
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    So he's going to go after everyone in the campaign because they might know of something for which he has no evidence occurred.

    How about we get a SC to go after Sanders and Warren and all their staffs to see if they know about any criminal activity or any collusion with a foreign agent or government they might have had.
     
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    And you guys can't answer a simple question and instead choose the invective for lack of response. Gotcha........:thumbsup:

    BTW didn't vote for the guy and can't stand him personally. I also don't believe in political coups by opposition parties and crooked or overzealous law enforcement for the purpose of overturning an election.
     
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    Prove what that the Democrats did not support and did not vote for the tax rate reductions? You don't know? It would have taken a 60 vote majority to make them permanent. Why do you think the Bush tax rate cuts expired after 10 years? Because no Democrats supported them. You want them to be permanent then I suggest you vote for whichever Republican is running for Senator in your state.
     
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  17. Bluesguy

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    Lack of response noted and typical. When you can't respond civilly........................bring out the invective.

    As I said
    Donald Trump Hires Paul Manafort to Lead Delegate Effort

    Donald J. Trump, girding for a long battle over presidential delegates and a potential floor fight at the Cleveland convention, has enlisted the veteran Republican strategist Paul J. Manafort to lead his delegate-corralling efforts, according to people briefed on Mr. Trump’s plans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/politics/fi...-hires-paul-manafort-to-lead-delegate-effort/

    Refute it.

    And now you are alleging the RNC was involved in Russian collusion. Where can I find your concern about the KNOWN DNC collusion through a foreign agent?
     
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  18. Bluesguy

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    And that is the responsibility of the campaign and if they didn't that is a misdemeanor and a fine for the campaign as happened with the Obama campaign. But the candidate has free will to add money to the campaign and take his money back out of it as needed. And as long as it is his money there is not limit on how much he can spend and on what. The campaign finance laws are to protect money donated to the campaign, that that money is used for limited functions and those amounts are limited. The fact is and has yet to be explained by the prosecutors if Trump directed Cohen to pay her and it was Trump's money the Cohen violated no law. It would have to be Cohen's money that violated the limit that could be spent. And if Cohen in fact did it himself the Trump is still off the hook.

    That is the question Dershowitz and McCarty and others are raising, there is no campaign finance violation just as with John Edwards.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Yes I wish you would stop.

    How did Trump violate any law? Candidates are free to spend as much of their own money as they want and it is not against the law to pay someone for a nondisclosure agreement.
     
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    NEVER.
     
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    I just can't figure out exactly what it is the leftist around here want done here. Trump had a one night sexual encounter 10 years ago and paid to keep the person silent. OK shame on him and her.

    Now what?
     
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    Lets hope not. It is better for him to lame duck out his term.
     
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    Sorry, I'll never vote Republican for any office. Nor will I vote dem.
     
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    None.

    At this point, it does not appear that Mueller has a collusion case against Trump associates. His indictments involving Russian hacking and troll farms do not suggest complicity by the Trump campaign. I find it hard to believe Mueller sees Manafort as the key to making a case on Trump when Mueller has had Gates — Manafort’s partner — as a cooperator for six months. You have to figure Gates knows whatever Manafort knows about collusion. Yet, since Gates began cooperating with the special counsel, Mueller has filed the charges against Russians that do not implicate Trump, and has transferred those cases to other Justice Department components.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/what-to-make-of-the-cohen-plea-and-manafort-convictions/
     
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    Then don't complain about the tax rate cuts not being permanent, it's what you vote for.
     

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