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    I think you're right about one thing--Europeans have to decide what kind of society they want. Business has been bringing in a lot of cheap labor for decades. The problem didn't begin with Muslims escaping the Middle East.
     
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    Have you noticed yet that Trump isn't going after employers hiring illegals? Have you figured out why he doesn't publicly trash employers hiring illegals?
     
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    Eurostar. Done it many times. Two hours.
    London, especially around the north end of Westminster Bridge, could be called Touristan. If I was a Brit, I'd be torqued that the most important few blocks in my country were overrun with tourists.
    Muslims are cheap labor in the UK and France. You shouldn't be surprised they exchange goods at the Vauxhall Market.
     
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    Parliament Square is home to me and so is Soho and Piccadilly Circus (down the street)...
    When I went to Amsterdam for the first weekend I went, I was working in promotion in Soho, promoting venues and attractions to tourists... Walking around Amsterdam's tourist trap, being from London's, it was surreal, like.. 'Same ****, different label'.
    When I reached home, I touched base with Soho, having just been a tourist in Amsterdam, back at home in Soho, and all the tourists caught my attention that night because not 24 hours before that, I was a tourist myself in Amsterdam's tourist trap. Reminded me of the time I went to Manhattan, NYC, NY and felt like I was back in London in America.

    Being from a tourist trap, you go to another city's in another country's and, it's weird how it's all the same.
     
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    Er, could it be because he's too busy fighting off the swamp creatures? [​IMG]
     
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    You must look like 5-0 if you've been Amsterdam Red Light district and people didn't try and sell you coke lol.
     
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    I admit that his majesty king Charles X made a mistake. A big part of colonialism was made by Napoleon III, which was for his time, a leftist.
    Furthermore, Jules Ferry wasn't "1 leftist wing person", he was the most important leftist figure of his time.

    There is nothing in the sources I quoted that apple is food, so according to your logic, apple isn't food. The fact that it's not written that colonialism is a kind of universalism doesn't prove that colonialism isn't an universalism.

    There is plenty way to have a better spot on the social ladder, free universities, student grants, competitive exams for entering the administration (which doesn't care of your origin or colour of skin, you must just be among the best at an exam), and so on. They have plenty of "helps" to improve their situation. But, yes, it's un natural to make co exist different population, so naturally, it create problems. Especially when the new comers don't want to mix with the old population.

    That village is not the only place in France.

    I don't care how you call it, and I have no taste for expansionist war. A lot of fascist leaders were idiot which wasted the life of their own people, making them terrible leaders. A good leader is thrifty with the life of his own people.

    The two colonies were decolonization ended in a war were Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia) and Algeria. The rest was relatively peacefull. There was some brutalities by the french army unfortunately. By the way, I think that the tirailleurs senegalais deserve the tittle of français par sang versé. But most of them were imported by traitors of their own country which sought to have only cheaper labor workforce, betraying their country and seeing the immigrants only as tools for their greediness.

    Wikipedia :
    In the 1960s, due to economic needs for post-war reconstruction and rapid economic growth, French employers actively sought to recruit manpower from the colonies, explaining today's multiethnic population.

    Try to mix up oil and water you won't succeed, it's the same thing between arabs and mainland french. French culture, arabic culture are too different, and you can't mix up. That's why I was for giving another religion to Harkis and new names, to integrate them, they have to become the same. Islam is especially troublesome, a black christian african woman can marry a french man more, it's neither physically or legally impossible for a muslim woman to marry a french christian man, but religiously troublesome.

    About the concentration camp :
    Drancy was used as housing after the war, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_de_Drancy and the one of Royalieu was used as barracks.
    French knew very heavy loss during WW2, and entire cities disappeared, especially in Normandy. There was a lot of people, either core french or other which had to live in temporary houses until the 70's. To add to all those buildings destroyed by the war, there was a major increase of the population, and so everything which could have been used back was used back.

    No french citizenship was given to very few people, and even so, the logic is flawed. French is both an ethnic group and a culture. And northern african culture was never alike with mainland french culture. Our culture can barely coexist, even today. French culture mostly disappeared in the fifties when it became american-french culture, but we have our legacy to protect, and some muslims want this legacy to be destroyed.
     
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    He wasn't.
    So what
    You failed to prove your point.

    Even with a college education, they do not have the same odds compared to other French people. We've discussed this previously. And the French government just let this all happen. To no surprise... they locked those people up in nazi camps.

    Ah... again that fascist doctrine that pops up.
    You failed to prove your point.
    It's just calling a spade a spade. No need to get emotional.

    About half a million European soldiers marched through Morocco to crush them in the 1920's.


    Sounds like right wing politics to anybody with a half a brain.

    And of all the people, only the brown people ended in nazi camps.

    Nope. When born in the French parts of Africa but being a Jew = French citizenship. That's why France got such a large amount of Jews, despite they rather cooperated well with the nazi's. If you ever talk to them pro Israeli's they will note they got ethnic cleansed for no reason and so ethnic cleansing Palestinians is justified. It's of course untrue. They fought for France as French citizens, to than leave to what remained of France when Algeria became independent.
     
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    Napoleon 3 wikipedia page :
    His followers were mostly on the left; from the peasantry and working class. His pamphlet on "The Extinction of Pauperism" was widely circulated in Paris, and his name was cheered with those of the socialist candidates, Barbès and Louis Blanc.[29]

    Colonialism was extensively advocated by an important leftist figure, now multiculturalism is advocated by the left. Considering that the left defended other disasters like communism, there is no big wonder that multiculturalism is a shitty idea.

    There is no more deaf that the one who doesn't want to listen.

    They still have opportunies to be higher in the social ladder. And it's too a matter of carrier choice. That's why the harkis should have got french names and the rest of the invaders refused, with a few exeptions (intellectuals).
    The french government can't do anything about the fact that arabic people tend to despise kuffar and that arabic people tend to remember too much to the gauls the racailles that terrorize a lot of people. Different people can't coexist.

    Politicians are *******s, that's new ?

    Funny that someone which admire a country (Saudi Arabia) who have death penalty for people which leave islam and tend to execute their political opponents call me fascist. And anyway, you leftists call fascism everything.

    That's a fact, I travelled to a lot of place with no police stations or few schools, they don't act like that. But I already agreed that the laxism of the left did a lot of damage in France, and it's true especially in the most poor zones. But people are too afraid to open some prisons and execute some criminals.

    I don't get emotionnal. That's rather usual for a leftist to call everything fascist. Furthermore, that's an absolute unsourced claim, you should source it to prove it.

    Yes, in the 20's. That's very sad for the Morrocan people and if I had the choice, I would have let the morrocan their freedom, but I'm no time traveller. And we're speaking of decolonization, the end of the colonization of Morroco happened in 1956, not in the 20's.

    Right wing politics won't let hundred of thousand of foreigners enter the national territory. Being for change, pro immigration, multiculturalism and all those horros is definitively a leftist behaviour. There is some degenerates which claim to be right winged, but they're just slaves to the money god, and traitors.

    It's an unsourced claim. I just have shown that some nazi camps were used back for other purposes. Anyway, I never denied that the treatment harkis was unfair considering their service. But 1) The harkis are just a tiny portion of all the descendant of the migrants which most of them were imported by a bunch of traitors to get cheaper workforce. 2) Yes, that was horrible, but there is positive things, like all the socialcare I already mentionned. 3) The country in the 60's was still largely destroyed and being build back and a lot of different kind people had poor housing, harki or not.

    and
    I don't care of the Israeli-palestinian conflict you semitic people are trying to turn into a worldwar. Yes, jews were turned into french citizen. A lot of other didn't. Anyway, it doesn't change that a tiny proportion of people got the french citizenship.
     
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    I should feel guilty adding to it, but I tend to stay away from Parliament Square, and for that matter from Piccadilly and Soho. Even ten years ago, a walk across the Westminter Bridge and then along the South Bank was quite pleasant. No, it's packed with tourists.

    I blame cruise ships and tours for a lot of the crowds. They let off thousands of people to wander around cities, and then gather them up to eat supper on the cruise ship, or in the case of tours, at the hotel.
    The thing to do is get out of the tourist trap areas in London, Amsterdam, Paris, NYC, and out of the cities themselves.
    Very true. They all seem to speak English, too. ;)
     
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    Because business is having a hard time finding help as it is and taking millions of illegals out of the labor pool would be extremely unpopular with employers.
     
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    I have been all over Amsterdam, including the Red Light district, and you might have a point. Much of the time, I wear a black gortex jacket with blue jeans, a ball cap, and black New Balance shoes. I'm not bothered by pickpockets in Rome, either.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_1848
    The Monarchist right (supporters of either the Legitimist or Orléanist royal households) and much of the upper class supported him as the "least worst" candidate, as a man who would restore order, end the instability in France which had continued since the overthrow of the monarchy during the February Revolutionearlier that year, and prevent a proto-communist revolution (in the vein of Friedrich Engels). A good proportion of the industrial working class, on the other hand, were won over by Louis-Napoleon's vague indications of progressive economic views. His overwhelming victory was above all due to the support of the non-politicized rural masses, to whom the name of Bonaparte meant something, as opposed to the other, little-known contenders

    Also you sourced that left people voted for him. Doesn't mean the guy got an extensive left wing program one bit. And that shows in my source.

    You have not proved that colonialism is a left wing policy one bit.

    No links, no source, no proof. There is nothing to listen to.

    Nope. They get extensively discriminated. And the government does little to nothing against this.
    Please comply with the facts.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ion-in-the-job-market/?utm_term=.ecd9b09e8de2

    They put them people in nazi camps ffs. Get a hint buddy.

    You're getting emotional. Key point of fascism is race, and on that subject it's about white supremacy.
    One race, their race, above others. And so you don't do multiculturalism since that will weaken the pure bloodline.

    prove it!

    So few wars... as you claimed... untrue!

    The idea was that would return to their own country and were only to be used for cheap labor to maximize profit.
    Typical right wing doctrine.

    I sourced that muslims as a whole are harshly discriminated twice now. And you refuse to even acknowledge it for the sake to keep venting your agenda that just aint true.
    I already explained that such handouts doesn't move them up the social ladder.
    Firstly... they were locked up there veterans as PRISONERS in nazi camps, because of their skin color. And the last person left in 1975. And WWII ended 20 years before that. Housing shortage, sure. But use that excuse for 20 years: dishonest lying crap that nobody buys.
    Because they were Jews. Shows how utterly racist France is. And here you go claiming they got equal opportunities to better themselves. Seriously... you go get locked up for 20 years in a nazi camp, to than try and participate on the job market. Let me remind you... 20 years ago: no cell phones, no windows 10. People still were using a freaking fax! You be leaving jail totally useless.
     
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    He was against the bourbon monarchy, he was a leftists

    What's else than a leftist policy than a policy supported by the left ? And J.Ferry was a leftist.

    The WP is a leftist newspapers. There is laws against discrimination, and it's any way un natural to try to make coexist different people.

    You're always switching from harkis to muslims in a general matter. There is two different people.

    Bullshit, it's not about bloodline.

    Because you're mixing up everything, you're mixing up a colonization war with a decolonization war. Morroco had their indenpendance in 1956, and you bring up a conflict in the 20's, 30 years before. In 1956, there was no war in Morroco. There is two case of war during decolonization, it's Algeria and Indochina. You bringin up anachronical conflicts doesn't change.

    You have no source of that.

    Pro mgirants policy, no matter the reason behind this, is clearly a leftist policy.

    I never claimed it's not true. That unnatural for different people to coexist. Furthermore, again you're mixing up everything, harkis and muslims in France in general way.

    They can still move out if they're not happy.

    Bullshit, I sourced that most of them got much better treatment. Furthermore, I never denied that some of them have been brutalized.
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harki#Les_harkis_en_France_à_partir_de_1962

    A country with a huge part of his population become black and arabic isn't "racist". There was racism in France, and there is still is, but you're otherwise making it up. There is laws against racist speech.
    Furthermore, you don't care of racism, I never heard you speaking of the racism in morroco for instance :
    https://www.ibtimes.com/europes-door-black-african-migrants-trapped-hellish-limbo-morocco-1404846
    You want european countries accept vast migrations by hate of their culture, but you don't care of racism when it happens in arab countries.

    You're still mixing up everything. Harkis descendants represent 800 000 people in France at best, they're a tiny minority of the descendants of migrants, and you're trying to make a general case of some specific cases.
    You're making it to about 20 years, all transit camps (not nazi camps) closed in 1974. And Harkis came in France until 1968, so it's at worst, and unlikely, 12 years, and at worst it's 6 years. It's way too much for former soldiers.

    But still, you're trying to make a general case about a specific one.
     
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    That still doesn't prove your claim that colonialism was a typical left wing issue.

    So what? It still doesn't mean it's a typical left wing policy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

    When communist groups and political parties began appearing around the world, their opponents were usually colonial authorities and the term right-wing came to be applied to colonialism.

    They didnt do the research. They just said some professor associated to the university of Paris made it.
    You need to enforce the law, not just make one. And you ranting your fascist doctrine is getting rather dull.

    harkis are Muslims. So what you say is incorrect.
    Of course it is.

    Yeah. Those people had a war for the luls. Sure...
    /facedesk
    https://ebrary.net/11842/sociology/three_periods_migration_europe
    As a result, North-Western European governments started to recruit labour in peripheral countries. The main destination countries were Belgium, France,.... The recruited foreign workers were expected to return home after completing a stint of labour.

    Nope. It was to make profit, hence it's right wing.

    I still not seeing you incorporate the utterly massive discrimination against Muslims.
    All I see again is your fascist doctrine. It's getting dull.
    That's an investment they can't afford.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_de_Rivesaltes
    Families considered "irretrievable"—a term used by administrators at the time—were sent at the end of 1964 to the Saint-Maurice-l'Ardoise military camp in the Garduntil 1975. Several hundred more families who had employment but no housing were accommodated in a "civil village" in the Rivesaltes camp during the 1960s. In 1963, a forestry village was also created in Rivesaltes for about 25 families of former auxiliaries (about a hundred people). The next decade saw the bulk of this population moved to the HLM (rent-controlled housing) of Rearte, built in the city of Rivesaltes to finalize the situation of these families. The last residents left the camp in February 1977.

    My sources says its true
    As I noted. You can make a law... but you can chose not to enforce it.

    The discrimination is against all muslims. I sourced that twice now. I still am not seeing that you are able to understand this.

    J.Ferry is a specific case. Not 100.000's of people.
     
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    It's still an ideology supported by the leftists.



    By the way, leftists supported colonialism, and when they weren't interested anymore in it, they started to call that a right wing policy.

    She made a strange research because religion doesn't have to appear on the resume.

    There is a lot of theft, rapes, agressions which remain unsolved, the french police have bigger priorities, like preventing muslims to commit terrorist attacks.

    Harkis themselve represent a tiny portion of muslims in France, and their descendant even less, and we assume that all children and grandchildren of harkis are muslim, which is unlikely. You're speaking like all muslims in France are descendant of harkis, which is utterly false.

    I don't care of the purity of the bloodline, but France is for the french, not some foreigners which have only a french ID but remain foreigners.

    We're speaking of the decolonization. The decolonization of Morroco happened in 1956, and was peacefull. Even if the war in the 20 was a failed attempt of indenpendance, it's not decolonization.



    Your source doesn't source its claim. They pretend it, but doesn't prove it. It's worthless. At the opposite, the foreign workers got ID cards and got considered from an administrative point of view as locals. If the real aim was to make them return home, they wouldn't had the nationality.

    Oh yes, the left feed only on love. Making profit is as much a right winged thing than a leftist one. Being against the nation, destroying traditions, destroying cultural identity is however a typical leftist thing.

    1) Most of them have nothing to do here. Only the harkis should have stayed, and got french names, which would have prevented most of discriminations, organize mixed marriage and in one generation you would have solved the problem. 2) For most core french, muslims remember them the racailles, so by the way, they don't have a good opinion of muslims, and most of the time, it's not even conscious.

    Ironic, consider who you're admiring and supporting.

    Prove it.

    The last one, not every of them, you're pretending that everyone was there nuntil 1977. You source at the opposite that some got things organized as soon than 1963 (one year after the end of the war). The bulk got HLM, and HLM can be pretty nice (depend of the one btw), cheap, comfortable housing, as long as the neighbourhood is not a disaster.
    So yes, your two decades claim is a complete bullshit.

    Yes, I said, there is still is, but France isn't a "racist" country. Your ethnicity, religion or colour of skin doesn't appear anywhere on official documents and never intervene in anything legal. There is a bunch of laws against racism, discrimination. French people accepted a lot of coloured people on their territory since a few decades, things that a massively racist people would never have accepted.
    The only thing you proved is that there is some racism in France, but you didn't proved that french is a particulary racist country, and I proved otherwise.
    Among the favorite celebrities of the french, you have : Yannick Noah, a half black man, Omar Sy, a black muslim man and Zinedine Zidane, a man of algerian ascend.
    So yes, racism exist in France, but like in every countries. It's better to be black in France, that for instance in Morroco or Algeria.
    Furthermore, it's natural and sane for a country to be xenophobic, non xenophobic country will end to collapse. France is not xenophobic enough.

    Or you don't have any police force to enforce it. France is already facing a massive criminality, terrorism, a lack of prison, so, yes the policemen face two things : the most emergent things and what bring money.
    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...gressions-continuent-de-flamber-en-france.php
    And everybody living in France know that african people are especially represented when it's about ultra agressive behaviour.

    I'm able to understand this, that why I considered that harkis should have got french names and should have been scattered in France to favor them blending. The rest are foreigners, and it's natural for people to be xenophobic. What's true in France is true in the rest of the world, it's logical for people with non algerian names to get less jobs in algeria, or people with non chinese names to get less jobs in china.
    The leftist may have given them ID cards, it doesn't change that we don't share any ancestry, and much more important, we don't think the same way, we don't have the same culture. Muslims remain foreigners in France.
    And for a lot of french people, muslims remember them the racaille, people you tend to be carefull about and learn to avoid, because they could beat you, or kill you for a gaze. That's the kind of thing you won't learn in newspaper.

    That's as relevant that claiming that J.Staline is a specific case. J.Ferry being a very important former leader of the french left, he is not a "specific case". He is not a simple second zone politician.
     
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    I sourced that it's part of the right wing doctrine. That you found some left wing people in support of this doesn't change a thing about it. You failed to source it's a left wing thing, even though I kept asking for it.

    This is all about statistics. Knowing the Quran or something is irrelevant.

    Hence the muslims get discriminated. This is a main reason why they are that low on the social ladder.

    You go source how easy muslims denounce their religion and how often it happens.

    I did not. The discrimination against Muslims is very real. And you've not taken that into account for the sake of your agenda.

    You claim you don't care is a joke of an opinion, when you're so fixated about ethnic background.... again and again, post after post.

    While the Vietnamese were in one war after the other until the violent oppressive colonial West admitted defeat.

    It does. The entire idea to invite people was to bring in cheap labor to than sent them back. That is right wing politics. That this ended up differently doesn't change a thing about it.

    A lot of text, but it still doesn't include the FACT... THE COLD HARD FACT,... that muslims are fanatically discriminated on the job market in France. It's just a joke to put the blame totally on the Muslims that they are unemployed.

    I need to prove that moving from one place to an other can not be done for free?
    WTF dude. It's common sense.

    Not true. Read post 238.

    You did not disprove Muslims are fanatically discriminated on the job market.
    It's "only" the thing where you can move up the economical social ladder,.. "no biggy"

    Exceptions don't make the rule. I sourced how it is. Get over it.

    Like I said... the French government doesn't do enough to do something about the situation of those people.
    All you do now, is coming up with excuses why it is like it is.

    And before this you made arguments that Muslims can just get an education and join the jobmarket as if nothing is stopping them to better themselves. What a joke that was.
     
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    You can wine, leftits supported that. It's not some leftist, it's important leftist personnalities, and an important parti.

    Those statistics are illogical, your religion appear nowhere on your resume.

    French people and arabs are like water and oil, we can't mix.

    There is no source about that.

    It's because the leftist are trying to force something which isn't possible. Different people doesn't mix, unless you make them the same, which won't happen. You can't mix with people who consider that showing her hair make a woman a whore, who can't eat with you, and probably consider you among the worst of the creature.
    By the way it's a fact that gauls and arabic people in France doesn't trust each other.

    I care about ancestry and mainly the preservation of our culture. However I largely prefer somoeone without french ancestry which care and protect culture, than an uncultured leftist worm.
    The colour of skin is the least problematic part of the disaster that is multiculturalism. A few decades of intensive interracial marriage, and the problem is solved.

    It's Indochina. It concerned vietnamese, laos people and cambodia. I mentionned Indochina. It's rather interesting to notice that

    In the end, they got french nationality, making it a leftist policy.

    Because you're trying to mix up people which can't be mixed. You don't have your religion on a french resume, and I suspect to ask that is highly illegal, excepted for a few things (working in a hallal butcher's shop or in a church). The only way to suppose the religion of someone could be their name, that why I said they should change their name.

    You should prove they don't have enough money to move away from France, especially to cheaper countries like Algeria. There is a lot of advantages to stay in France despite the job marked lower chance to get a job, like all the socialcare. Some people (no matter their colour of skin) prefer to get socialcare, a few undeclared job and live poorly but with less efforts.

    No, I don't disprove that, even if I'm not sure it's always a conscious choice. A lot of people are really afraid of arabic people and not only because of terrorism. That's funny to observe that some white leftists have heavy trouble mixing up with the "diversity".

    We're like oil and water, we can't mix (by the way there is exceptions). Most of them should use the advantage they could get from France, like learning a bunch of skills, and return to their true country.

    That seriously countersay your tale of a deeply racist France. Furthermore, you will notice that french people go all vote against Marine Le Pen or her father because they're supposed to be racist/xenophobic. If France was so "racist", most of french people wouldn't vote against MLP.

    The french government is made of traitors. I already sourced about the "plan banlieue". They tried too some affirmative actions.


    No, they can get an education and leave the country. Or stay if they want, but I doubt that this country as any good future to offer to them. Most of them should return to their own.
    We don't share anything in common but a language, and there is nothing which unite all french people today.
     
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    I sourced it's right wing politics. That you find the ones in a blue moon, doesn't make it left wing politics. You failed to prove that. And I did ask for that plenty of times. Get over it.

    You're in no position to question if the research was done right. You need to prove it.

    The European French fought a war with the African French, in order to keep it all together and mix.
    And again,.. colonialism is right wing politics. I sourced that it is.

    So you got no clue if what you said is true one bit, but it supported your agenda. Got it.

    We already discussed that I'm not interested in your fascist doctrine.

    You go source that cheap labor to maximize profit is left wing politics.

    You are questioning the results of a research paper done by a professor at the university of Paris.
    You are in no position to do so without any prove.

    You're not even commenting on what I wrote.

    The source of how it is on the job market proves how it is.

    It's obvious your extremist right wing train of thought dislikes it that 30.000 people who are deprived due to racism on the jobmarket, are about to get internships.

    Than they would be an illegal immigrant in an other country, where they can not find work.
    You go ask Trump how he feels about that.
     
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    You just quoted a blurried definition of right wing.

    I have send a bunch of resume in my life, I never had to mention my religion on it.

    Supported by some leftists. The african french and european french may have shared the same political ruling, but they were never from a cultural point of view the same people. You can call your dog "cat", it will still be a cat.

    I already met some former muslims, so yes, that's pretty logical that all descendants of harki aren't muslims. The exact proportion, you don't know it, I don't know it. If you're claiming that 100% of the descendants of harkis are muslim, you're gonna prove it.

    I'm just describing a fact.

    No, I said that change is the nature of left, being against France is left wing politics, and migration is left wing politics.

    By the way, I have send resume in my life, I have friends which have done some with me, nobodoy put their religion on the resume.
    There is so only two solutions : they investigated on the name which sounds muslim, or they send wrong resume.

    You never proved they don't have enough money to leave.

    Yes because all french people are recruiters. It's well known. People in position of recruit are a tiny part of the population.
    Most french people are scared of arabic people, even if a lot won't admit it and it was true before of the terrorist attacks. There is for sure a lot of conscious discrimination, but there is too a lot of unconscious one.

    No, I just notice a fact. Gauls are gauls, arabs are arabs, we're like oil and water. You can call that fascist, I'm just stating a fact. It's like the chinese who try to move in northern africa, they will never belong to there. Chinese traditionnal religions are too much different from Islam for them to coexist. Nevertheless I just countersaid your claim that the governments (that I don't like for other reasons) don't do anything about that. They try things, that's good they try.
    If some brilliant people, no matter their colour of skin can find some opportunies, it's good. If they're too dumb for those posts, it's a bad thing.
    Arabs have difficulties to merge in the french society because they don't belong to this one. It would be same if some angolese people tried to settle in china or for the boers in south africa. They're foreigners by the nature of their culture.

    Who talked of migrating in an illegal way ? And I don't speak of "another" country, I speak for instance of northern africa. They should be fine with their owns, and integrate fine, either on a job point of view or the rest.
     
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    I sourced that colonialism is a right wing doctrine.
    You failed to source colonialism is a left wing doctrine.
    That you find 1 left wing politician with a different point of view, is not enough to tip the scale.

    I don't care. My source stands, until you come up with some solid proof.

    I don't care about your alleged personal experience. You still can not prove your point what % changed, hence your ranting is irrelevant.

    Nope. That's just your opinion that I do not care about.

    That they are poor is without a doubt. That moving your stuff from one place to an other aint free is also without a doubt. I don't see you disputing this. Only whining that it's not sourced.

    That is simply far right fascism.

    I already sourced that the white population is fanatically discriminating them on the job market. That the French government finds the need that 30.000 of the need an internship to compensate the criminal behavior says enough.

    You did speak about an other country. And have them move to North Africa is moving to an other country. They would be illegal aliens there. Again, go ask Trump what he thinks about illegal aliens.
     
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    Your source was doubtfull.

    Type "modèle CV" in a search engine (location France), you will have hundred of CV models, none of them mention religion.

    You can't prove either that 100% of descendants of harkis are muslims. Your claim that no harki descendants didn't renounced to islam is as false, because you can't prove it either.
    Such statistics doesn't exist because it tend to be illegal to make ethnic statistics in France.

    Poor doesn't mean you don't have any money, especially in France were plenty of socialcare exist.

    Fascism is an ideology which was defined by Mussolini. Source any Mussolini writting proving your sayings otherwise it's fake news.

    Source that it is the white population. 1) All white people in France aren't recruiters. 2) You will have to prove that a black, an asian(christian or agnostic) recruiter would discriminate them less.
    If you don't prove that, it's just fake news.

    Furthermore, that doesn't change another fact : white people tend to be very afraid of arabic people, you won't recruit someone you mistrust.
     
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    Not without a source.

    Dude. It was YOUR point,... that means YOU prove it.

    How much is the subside to move?

    I already sourced Muslims are totally discriminated on the job market.
    If YOU want to discredit it... that YOU go find prove.
     
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    Are there actually enough jobs for all them to go around?
    A more fundamental question.
     
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    My question is who cares? They have historically invaded and now possess the lands from Morocco to Indonesia. If they can't make due there, too bad.
     
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