I watched, I believe Kavanaugh and not Ford, the whys behind.

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  1. tnsharpshooter

    tnsharpshooter Active Member

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    I listened carefully to Ford’s testimony,
    She left out a few things that makes here whole story sound fishy.

    Number #1
    Ford admits to after being pushed in the bedroom, she is on the bed and Kavanaugh is on top of her. She claimed she tried to scream but Kavanaugh puts his hand over her mouth. Then Ford says someway she got out of the situation and runs to the bathroom and locked the door.
    She never did say she screamed during any time after breaking free and running out of bedroom.
    How did Ford determine the 2gents wouldn’t break down the door? Remeber her good friend according to her is downstairs.

    Number #2
    Ford says she after she her the 2 boys stumble down the stairs (she admits they were drunk upon her arrival. She said she could hear them stumbling down the stairs while locked in the bathroom. How come she couldn’t hear one or both of them coming up the stairs behind her before one of them pushed her into the bedroom.

    Number #3
    Ford testified she went down the stairwell and to the door and out in the street. She can’t remember how she got home. The most striking thing was she left her best friend in a house where she was supposedly had rape attempted on herself. To go further, Ford never even comments any concern for here friend, she never stated how concerned she was and even asked her friend upon seeing her the next time if everything went ok at the party.

    #4
    No one else can place either Ford or Kavanaugh for that matter at the house in question, even Ford’s friend.

    #5
    Kavanaugh kept good calendars for his activities.
    Until this accusation no other accusations about him as far as sexual assault, sexual harrassment. Actually quite the opposite.

    #6
    Ford never did say while Kavanaugh was covering her mouth with one hand and obviously using his other hand to undress Ford, meaning what did Ford do with her arms and hands. She never did admit she tried to strike, hit, scratch Kavanaugh. I would expect any woman to do in Ford’s supposed situation.

    Ford’s story has too many holes. Her responses and or actions during when the incident was taking place not sensible.
     
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    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    Funny. I believe them both on some things said, and none of others!

    Not buying for a second that he was a a heavy drinker through at least his Yale days.
     
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    Vote your gut on it and let the chips fall where they may
     
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    Number #1 She ran to the bathroom because it had a lock, and she did not think they would try to break it down, which makes sense.

    Number #2 . . . because she was listening as closely after the event as at any time in her life up to them. Why would she be listening behind her coming up the stairs?

    Number #3 Then the attorney should have asked that.

    #4 Then conduct a full FBI investigation.

    #5 Cosby's reputation was pristine for a long time.

    #6 He had his weight on her. You have no idea whether she tried to strike, hit, scratch, etc. So you don't know.
     
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    I know he's your next SCOTUS justice.

    There will be more, and they will be even more conservative.
     
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    I believe her. I really do. As a general rule the Senate is wise to insist on more substantiation/ witnesses, but lets face it, sexual assaults tend to happen in situations that do not lend themselves to a lot of evidence so you have to do the very best you can to maximize what is available.. This required an FBI investigation on which the Senate can plan witness lists and draft subpoenas,that will not be forthcoming.
     
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    Seriously, Amy Barrett to replace Ginsburg will be a hoot. Next we'll hear accusations that she's a child molester. Oops, did I reveal their ploy too early?
     
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    If you lack evidence, how can the FBI investigate? It's impossible.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup. And I actually think Sotomayor may drop out first.

    Every time dems drag out the theatrics, fewer and fewer people will listen to them.
     
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    There are a pool of fake victims out there now, just waiting to claim to be raped, tortured, whatever.

    Its not about the truth.
     
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    The worst part is how every random person can now accuse another random person, not without evidence and they'll actually be 'heard and considered'. I don't care how sweet Ford's words are, that's not how we do it in America.

    Or did it. 9/27/2018, another nail in America's coffin. But it does seem like Kavanaugh will get the approval vote on party lines, based on that hearing.
     
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    Don't give me bullshit. We have lists of potential witnesses that got their attorneys to draft affidavits to send to the Senate that basically say 'Under penalty of oath, I say I don't know nothin, bout nothin, don't recall ever being anywhere , and Kavanough was a saint, so no point in calling me!.' That is not an interview looking an agent in the eye, as he pins you down with specific questions . These are professionals, and they make it a little tougher than that. it was possible. It did not get done because the Senate did not want to wait for it to get done..
     
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    Most of those witnesses as Ford's witnesses(including her best friend, that she threw under the bus. Classy victim). That 'bullshit' is how we always did it for accusations. Christine Ford gets no special treatment. But if you believe Natty Bumpo from this afternoon, Trump was moved by her speech so maybe he will call for the FBI to do more(although as noted the only thing they can do is FD-302's).

    If for example a Mark Judge remains consistent in his testimony to the FBI agents, what can they do? It's up to Ford to provide evidence. The FBI would've been involved if in fact she could have proved that Kavanaugh or Judge were there, or that there was even a there.

    So she gave you a sop story and in her old age, probably reminds people of your grandmother's. But she didn't move the investigation forward.
     
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    And exactly WHAT would you ask the FBI or any other investigative agency to examine? Do you realize that the FBI has already investigated Brett Kavanaugh SIX TIMES?!

    Wake up! There's no witnesses that support Blasey Ford's narrative. There's no 'smoking-gun' (dried semen on the dress, etc.). There's no proof, no evidence, and this whole idiotic thing is nothing but a THIRTY-SIX YEAR OLD "he said/she said" fable! This whole thing supposedly happened so long ago that DNA testing HADN'T EVEN BEEN INVENTED YET!

    No. This is nothing but a dirty, last-minute, contrived attempt at character assassination by radical Democrats. It will NOT stand!

    OK, Republicans -- you've "played nice" with liberal Democrat Blasey Ford. Now -- get off your cowardly, squeamish asses and VOTE to confirm Brett Kavanaugh!
     
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    That's the point. Judge will remain consistent as long as he gets to determine exactly when, to whom and how often he testifies or offers statements. that is exactly what has happened to all these witnesses. This was not investigated because your ilk on the Senate committee did not want those witnesses interviewed by professionals, who's job it is to press reluctant witnesses. The FBI would have been involved if the Senate had asked them to get involved. It is NOT up to Ford to provide evidence any more than it is up to any victim of a crime to 'provide evidence' . Victims are not in a position to gather evidence or take witness statements. Its mighty nice if the victim can come up with something for law enforcement to work with, but law enforcement gathers evidence.

    There is no investigation to move forward. It was closed before it ever started.
     
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    Its cool. Next time Democrats take the Presidency and simple majority in Congress, use the nuclear option: add nine new seats to the USSC, declare Congress in recess, and let the Democratic President name 9 hyper-Progressives to the bench without the Republicans even being able to question them.
     
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    Lol its already a conspiracy, eh?
     
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    She's a proven liar. Why would you believe a word she said when she openly lied today?

    Unless you forgot where she claimed she was a world traveler after earlier in the week claiming to be afraid of flying.


    Oh and no evidence no time no place and no eye witnesses she named supporting her. How do you dismiss that reality?
     
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    Actually when this story first broke I checked, there would have been DNA testing in 1982. Just at its infancy stages though.
     
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    Not a conspiracy. Just brazen politics by the Judiciary committee Chairman and the Majority Leader ramming this thing through.
     
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    Law Enforcement gathers evidence when there's a reputable report of a crime. Let's put it this way: For as sketchy as Comey's opening investigation was. Even as I presume the President's innocence, there was MORE of a basis for Comey's investigation than invoking resources for Christine Ford.

    And that's saying something.
     
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    Not hard to send a few agents to gather some statements and press for more than "I don't know nothin, don't remember nothin. Kavanough was a great guy"
     
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    They were FORD'S witnesses! That's the absurd part. Mark Judge did not conspire with Ford's best friend. Mark Judge didn't conspire with the other witnesses either.

    Mark Judge has not committed a crime to our knowledge, or anything that would put his testimony into question. It's up to Christine Ford to prove HER own case. Period.
     
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    DNA testing began in 1985: http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

    Although Blasey Ford is not certain even about WHICH YEAR the 'sex crimes' against her were supposedly committed, it is believed that they occurred a few years earlier than 1985.... :roll:
     

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