If it's not the Jews, these Demonic warmongers, could not be anyone else. They are in the center of everything.
I'm afraid that I can't concur in that many American & Israeli Jews comprise some of the more effective anti war groups and Americans "Christian Right" / "Christian Zionists are just as eager to send more young Americans to die on distant soil as the Right Wing Zionists that currently rule Israel & much of US Government. In there words, I don't believe that the war mongering Zionists who happen to be Jewish accurately represent the sentiments of all members of the Jewish faith. Regrettably, Israel's peace seeking Jews have been sidelined because of unconditional US Government support of Israel's current, Right Wing Zionist regime. That is just one detrimental effect of rewarding Israel's criminal, war mongering Right Wing extremists who are pushing America into a disastrous war with Iran. The countless burned, mutilated, traumatized & blinded young American Veterans who linger in underfunded V.A. Hospitals are ample testimony as to why we should not fight another war driven by AIPAC: “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003 Thanks... "Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran" http://between-the-lines-ludwig-wat...03/israel-is-pushing-us-into-war-against.html EXCERPT "Not even President Trump should be so stupid to do the fighting for the Zionist regime. So far, the US Empire has failed across the Middle East. To listen to people such as Netanyahu, Liberman, Mohammed bin-Salman from Saudi Arabia, or military strongman Abd al Fattah as-Sisi from Egypt, the US can only lose. Instead of talking to rational actors such as Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad, or the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hassan Rohani, Trump associates with political hotheads such as Netanyahu and his ilk."CONTINUED "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran" https://www.unz.com/jpetras/israeli...hu-leads-us-president-trump-to-war-with-iran/ EXCERPT "Trump parrots Netanyahu’s falsehoods to the letter: He raves that Iran, while technically in compliance, has violated ‘the spirit of the agreement’ without citing a single instance of actual violation. The 5 other signers of the ‘Framework’, the US military and the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency have repeatedly certified Iran’s strict compliance with the accord. Trump rejects the evidence of countless experts among US allies and ‘his own generals’ while embracing the hysterical lies from Israel and the ‘52’. Who would have thought the ‘hard-nosed’ businessman Trump would be so ‘spiritual’ when it came to honoring and breaking treaties and agreements!"CONTINUED
Ever and always, since the First WW, have the Americans and the Zionists worked together. Some years ago, when I first stumbled over Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech, where he outlined how the Germans lost the First WW, I got an understanding of how the Jews operate. They are everywhere, in any country, usually at or near the top of the governments. So, in 1916 already they were able to direct WWI to work in their favor. Read here how Freedman tells the story: http://mailstar.net/freedman.html ----- More than a hundred years on and the Zionists are still urging the USA to go to war here and there and everywhere for the benefit of the Jews. Although they got their desired Palestine, but now all the countries around it have to be decimated in order for further expansion and no opponents far and wide. Unbelievable... why do the Americans still do as told and sacrifice their soldiers for Israel! Why? What is in it for them?
Re: I was asked very similar questions while in the Mid East. As far as I can tell, Americans get absolutely nothing from Israel except for demands for MORE & the Americans who support wars for Israel neither fight in them nor do they know anything about the regional dynamics other than what's poured into their heads by America's blatantly bias, pro Israel MSM. Please take a quick look at AIPAC's most recent edition of "Backgrounder"(1) which includes mandatory instructions of what every politician must do to further the machinations of Israel's Right Wing. (1) "BACKGROUNDER" http://www.policyconference.org/pdf/2018/aipac-pc18-issue-backgrounder.pdf
Thank you for the link which I have never before seen. One really can get emotional about all the danger and threats Israel is surrounded and has to cope with. Poor Israel! I am going to post the whole article for everyone to have a look and perhaps comment on it: I am taking a deep breath... Yes, I am starting to understand the USA's policy in the Middle East - - Israel serves as a secure foothold to them. It is well worth the 3+ billion annually, since about half of it comes back to the US for weapons purchases, I read. Might not be true, though. Both people, Americans and Zionists, are very similar in their dealings with other nations... they are rough, even brutal without conscience, both have been and still are being born with that fighter instinct and this self-assured demeanor of "the world and its riches belong to me!" Snowden is one beautiful but rare exception. And you Americans want to hang him!! Who ever associates himself with and supports a nation that tortures and kills innocents and children has to be of one and the same fabric!! = Birds of a feather, stick together! I'm sure there are more nations that torture and kill their own as well as people of other nations, like China, Africa, Russia, India... to name a few. Dear Gray, in this day and age where everybody has access to the Internet you can't excuse your people with... "nor do they know anything about the regional dynamics other than what's poured into their heads by America's blatantly bias, pro Israel MSM." I want the Americans to be better people!
Yes, I wish that America's Government behaved more sensibly too and was not so deeply infected with Right Wing Israeli lobbies and adversely affected by the monumental & malevolent Christian Right. I can't remember when the US Government has been as bellicose & confrontational as today, under the Trump administration or when the threat of a more significant confrontation was ever so dire. I think that it is a mistake to confuse the actions of a country's government with the will of the majority of its people since special interest groups shape policy to an obscene extent. Yes, just about everyone has access to the Internet in America but too many Americans seem unwilling to put time & effort into researching issues that conflict with the MSM narrative.
To the best of my knowledge Trump is not Jewish however he seems to be completely controlled by someone who is(1) I don't care about the race, religion or ethnic background of any president of the US as long as their first loyalty remains to the US which is not the cast with the stridently pro Israel Trump, Kushner, Bolton & Pompeo "Quisling Quartet". Thanks and a belated welcome to the forum. (1) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings" https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/ EXCERPTS "Since Sept. 18, when the two men met in New York around the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu has been pulling Trump’s strings on almost every foreign policy issue. Trump further showed that he is following Netanyahu’s marching orders with the extremist speech about Iran on Friday, essentially repeating all the Israeli propaganda lines against Iran and burning whatever bridges remained toward a meaningful diplomatic approach. Although dressing up his capitulation to Netanyahu in tough-guy phrasing, Trump is doing what most U.S. politicians do – they grovel before Bibi Netanyahu. And, if you have any doubts about that reality, you can watch how often both Republicans and Democrats jump to their feet whenNetanyahu addresses a joint session of Congress, an honor that he has received three times, tying him with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Those moments of American humiliation – as almost all 535 members of Congress act like puppets on invisible strings – represent the actual subservience of the U.S. government to a foreign power. And that power is not Russia."CONTINUED
I don't believe that Russia is nearly as so heavily influenced by Zionist elements as is the US Government, therefore, Putin is freer to act in Russia's interest and, of course, his own. I would like to add that it is not only America's Zionist element, and America's 52 major Israeli lobbies that are responsible for America's unconditional support of any and every Israeli war crime, atrocity and violation of international law. America's Christian Right & Christian Zionists are also extremely influential in shaping America's counterproductive & immoral "Israel First" foreign policy. Since Russia has no Christian Right & a smaller infestation of Israeli lobbies, their foreign policy is not so Zionocentric.
An excerpt from https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/15/the-putin-netanyahu-bromance/ :: "What the media has not mentioned, in obvious deference to Netanyahu and the Israel Lobby AKA Jewish political establishment in the US that supports him, is that over the last year and a half, but beginning well before Russia’s intervention in Syria, the Israeli prime minister and Putin have become the closest of allies with Netanyahu having made four state visits to Moscow in the last 16 months duly reported by the press of both countries that also provide upbeat reports on their frequent phone conversations. That this bromance has occurred despite Russia’s support for Iran and the government of Syrian president Bashir Assad is one of the more bizarre developments of this millennium. There are understandable geopolitical explanations for their relationship, some of which I will offer below, but that it has been kept from the eyes of the American public by the US media, I will argue, is equally if not more significant. One can well imagine how most Americans who have been fed a steady of anti-Russian and anti-Putin propaganda and whose new president has been slammed repeatedly for not denouncing him, would react if they were suddenly made aware that America’s great friend and ally, the prime minister of Israel is in bed, politically, with Washington’s long time bogeyman." ---- And now, very recently, Israel knowingly betrayed its Russian friend by hiding behind one of their airplanes, causing the shot-down and death of 15 Russian airmen! All good - no consequences so far. Real friends have understanding!
May I remind you of the Oligarchs in the 90s who just about stole Russia from the Russian people? Russia was and likely still is saturated with Jewish business people waiting to strike once Putin is out of power. Who established and was in control of the Gulags? Who hissed the Red Army soldiers upon the German Women and girls in 1945? Do you believe those corrupt people all went away to America? Not according to where Communism Is Alive and Well https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/communism-is-alive-and-well-7264 Oh... why do you think they are not the same as the first batch? They are basically all Zionists loyal to Israel or the Zionist cause of world control. Maybe not at the moment, but that can change anytime.
Here we go again......another Israel Firster who can't refute a thing I actually have written & supported. You're deliberately distorting what I've really written & supported because you can't refute the fact that the Zionist element inside America, America's infestation of Israeli lobbies & the Christian Right dominate US Policy. I said absolutely nothing about "...the Jews control the United States." Meanwhile: 1. Name another country that has successfully extorted as many $ Trillions from America as Israel has and been so thankless in receiving it. Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html 2. Name another lobby influential enough to drive America to a war that only benefited that country. “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003 3. Name one other country who has succeeded not only in massacring 34 Americans and destroying a vital US ship not only with impunity but reward with $ Billions in "aid". 4. Name another event that attracts as many groveling US politicians as the AIPAC convention.
LOL Wrong again, but it's easy to see won't change your mind about the Jews or Israel. Obviously others who are less emotional about "the Jews" know that I put America first. Israel is an ally just like the UK and Australia. I haven't seen anyone accusing me of being a Brit or Aussie Firster. Any wonder why? FWIW, Israel is the only democracy in sea of despotism and religious fanaticism. IF it ever come to a regional war in the area, the US is assured of an unsinkable aircraft carrier to fight the enemy much like the UK was an unsinkable aircraft carrier for us to fight the ****ing Nazis.
Your original question was: I answered that question to the best of my knowledge and am unaware of the exact degree to which "...Jewish business people are waiting to strike once Putin is out of power" nor do I believe that all "...those corrupt people all went away to America" I simply don't think that Moscow's current government is as heavily influenced by Israeli lobbies, US Zionist elements & the Christian Right as America's current government. I could easily be wrong but I also don't see Russia's Government as being so deeply complicit in Israel's Right Wing war crimes, acts of aggression & violations of international law as the US Government is.
"RIGHT WING ZIONISTS.....NOT, 'THE JEWS'" My assertions which you are obviously unable to refute have nothing to do with " the Jews" as Jewish individuals are all over the spectrum as it concerns the topic at hand. Israel especially under the Netanyahu regime is not an "ally", it is America's most treacherous parasite & insidious adversary. Let's try this again with a minor modification in the hope that you will avoid continued evasions & fraudulent implications of anti Jewish sentiment: 1. Name another ally that has successfully extorted as many $ Trillions from America as Israel has and been so thankless in receiving it. Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html 2. Name another ally's lobby influential enough to drive America to a war that only benefited that country. “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003 3. Name one other ally who has succeeded not only in massacring 34 Americans and destroying a vital US ship not only with impunity but reward with $ Billions in "aid". 4. Name another ally's event that attracts as many groveling US politicians as the AIPAC convention. Finally, America didn't need an "ally" in the Mid East as before the Colonial imposition of Israel & machinations of the Z.O.A., America had no enemies in the Mid East. “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)
Sorry, Grau, I didn't mean to be obstinate and dissatisfied with your first answer, but the simple heart that I am, I believed that Zionists and the Zionist Christian Right are all the same, namely Zionists. They all work towards world domination. Again, in my simple mind I believe that all Zionists, whether in the US or Russia, work for the Jewish State, Israel. It seems, at the moment, there are not as many Zionists/Jews in Russia as there are now in America, which they already control. But that is debatable! Their influence on the Russian Government, since Putin, has markedly diminished or gone to sleep for now. I also read about an "exodus" of Jews out of Russia in the late 90s into the US. Anyway, my main concern is that Putin/Russia are friendly and supportive of the Zionist regime in Israel... they never protest against the criminal acts perpetrated upon the Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese and the Iranians. IF you don't protest against these murderous acts nor even condemn them with sharp words, then you are in compliance with those crimes. Russia, as a world power, has never tried to stop or even discourage Israel from its criminal behavior. Why not? Because Russia has a large Jewish/Zionist population.
Please clarify : "code phrase" I'm sure that you understand that one can strongly condemn the agenda of the KKK and not be hostile to all White people just as one can strongly oppose the agenda of Right Wing Zionists without being hostile to all members of the Jewish faith. It was primarily through the time, hard work and resources of one of my Jewish friends that I was able to become a full time blacksmith (some people say "artist") & enjoy designing & making ornamental, wrought iron gates, andirons, functional sculpture, table bases, free standing wine racks with wrought iron grape vines, African animals, door knockers, gargoyle heads, kitchen pot racks and precise reproductions of artifacts from the Elizabethan & other eras. Why is it so hard to believe that one can oppose the counterproductive machinations of Right Wing Israeli lobbies and not be hostile to Jews?
How nice of your Jewish friend to teach you such an unusual art as blacksmithing! I don't dispute that there are lots of good and decent Jewish people around, I even got some in the family! But coming from Germany and having learned all sorts about the holocaust, true or false or inbetween, is one thing... having read tons of articles about the brutality of Israelis towards the Palestinians is another. Inbetween I read and hear about their criminal finance and business practices (Madow and Soros come to mind!) Can you blame me for being suspicious, cautious and often vocal about my disappointment with them? Besides, how do you reconcile their take-over of your Government and its main institutions, like immigration and foreign policy? Every Western (NATO) country has to swear allegiance to Israel. And they all do, without exception! The latest trick they play in Germany is, they formed their own JAfD = Jewish Alternative for Germany (Deutschland)... Far-right AfD launches JAfD Jewish faction A small Jewish group has set itself up within Germany's far-right AfD party despite scorn from 17 Jewish organizations. Critics say the AfD remains anti-democratic and harbors hatred to the point of Holocaust denial. The original AfD has a Jewish lesbian leader... Meet Alice Weidel, the former Goldman Sachs banker! A very clever strategy, isn't it? In a democracy everything is possible, just like in America. Have a nice afternoon, Grau! I'm going out now into the sun and plant some tulips.
It appears that you are right in that Putin/Russia is at least on friendly terms with the Netanyahu regime and Russia under Putin is as supportive of Israel's criminal Right Wing as any Russian or Soviet leadership in recent memory. I've read that Putin, himself, has benefited from the benevolence & mentorship of various kind Jewish individuals & currently benefits from aid coming from various Jewish oligarchs supportive of his political agenda. I believe that 5 out of the 10 oligarchs with whom Putin deals are Jewish billionaires. Additionally, a very large segment of Israeli society is comprised of recently arrived Russian immigrants. All of this explains Putin's light touch when it comes to confronting Israeli aggression, ethnic cleansing & violations of International Law. It is, however, primarily Russia's support of Assad that was a significant factor in thwarting the Israeli, US, Saudi etc attempt at regime change in Syria. Briefly put, Russia under Putin is very unlikely to strongly object to Israel's criminal behavior but did follow through with its delivery of S-300s. The next thing to look for is a confrontation between Israel's US supplied stealth technology and Russia's upgraded S-300 air defense system.
Thanks for the beautiful photo. From what I've read, your primary question seems to be: Jews, like every other religious, ethnic & racial group is comprised of individuals who chose different career paths & political orientations. Some, of course, become involved in politics, the media and develop Right Wing orientations. I suppose that since I've just known Jews who share many of the same interests & opinions as I do, I don't know any AIPAC members, Jewish oligarchs, strident Zionists etc. As I've mentioned before, I don't think that it is America's Jews, alone, who drive US Policy making as the Christian Right has emerged as a significant advocate of America's destructive & counterproductive Israel First Policy. Christian Zionists & members of the Christian Right may outnumber the strident Right Wing Zionists but lack the long term experience in manipulating US politicians & the system as the better organized & more heavily funded Z.O.A., AIPAC, JINSA etc seem to do with ease.
