America is edging closer to civil war

Fortunately, at the moment there is no crisis in Russia. Quite the contrary. New factories are being built, new jobs are being created. And I must admit that this helped the sanctions. But in Russia there is capitalism. Therefore, sooner or later there will be crises.

By the way, now LADA, this is the best car in accordance with the "price-quality".

Video for you. The old Russian (more precisely Soviet) ZIL 130 truck against the American Ford Mustang. Race.



And one more video. ZIL 130 (Soviet truck) vs Porsche. Race.

 

You are not properly formulated. We do not worry that NATO will become an aggressor. We are ready to the one, that NATO will become an aggressor. Because we have multiple historical experience. More, we know that NATO will become an aggressor. Therefore, we have no reason to worry. We know for sure that it is inevitable sooner or later. And if we cannot change anything, what is the point of worrying or fearing? Therefore, we must be prepared.. What we do.

 

That was the sentiment I saw expressed by one of your MID officials in a recent news story. He was saying that Russia is preparing for war while the US is preparing war. Part of his argument to try and get something defense-related, as I recall and as far as I understood the article. I had that up in a thread that got removed since I featured Russian language in it. Big no-no around these parts, I guess, even though I included translations of the quoted parts.

Anyhoo, your former Soviet satellite neighbors worry about Putin's military build-up and new assertiveness as seen in Ukraine, so naturally NATO will respond to that. It is seeking a balance of power, is it not? But then, that is an easy way to get an arms race, since neither side is going to be complacent about that balance.

 

We are in a civil war, thanks to the liberal tyranny which can't tolerate opposition. It would be a lot more vicious though, if they weren't held back by the armed militias. This is why the Democrats are trying to make guns illegal.

As nations react to sanctions by dropping the dollar, our economy can only get worse. Countries are now hoarding gold as a precaution and a means of survival. Should we have a major natural catastrophe, which is possible considering the recent earthquakes in the world, then we are in really big trouble.

 

If the US ever takes large scale offensive military action against Russia, it will be while Americans are distracted by a civil war. Most Americans would not tolerate our corrupt establishment committing us to such a devastating conflict. But if we're too busy fighting federal police (our military will not make war on our civilians), the establishment could get away with quite a lot.

 

Here's a run down on how it started:

Ukraine's problems started with the assertiveness of an American coup in Kiev, not with the Russians. The protesters at Maidan came from the anti Russian part of Ukraine, and they were being paid. None of them came from the Eastern and Southern part of Ukraine, so the protesters were not representative of the country.

Washington's intent was to take Crimea and install a Nato base and kick out the Russian fleet. They had plans made up to change the buildings in Sevastopolis so as to accomodate Nato, but when the USS Donald Cooke arrived they were greeted by a Russian jet that jammed its electronics - and that was the end of that.

As for the Donbas, the people voted to federate, and instead of talking to them, Poroshenko began killing them, the same as his thugs did the protesters from Crimea, and the protesters in Odessa.

As for Poland and Romania, they were warned not to install American missile defenses that can be converted into nuclear ones, since Russia will have to aim its own missiles on them - but they didn't care. To show how foolish they were, the missile defenses are manned by Americans who could care less whether the people there live or die.

There isn't a single thing that Russia has done up until now, that was not a response to something the US did first. Besides that, Russia has always remained within international law, regardless of what the propaganda networks tell you, while almost everything the US does is illegal - and that includes the current occupation of the oil and gas rich areas of Syria east of the Euphrates.

 

Deja Vu...just like the 1860 Presidential election when the Democratic party came down with LDS (Lincoln Derangement Syndrome) and refused to accept the outcome that Abraham Lincoln won the election and 620,000 Americans perished on the battlefields because one political party was butt hurt.

 

Uhhh, I hate to wake you up from your dream world, but wasn't it Nato that bombed Belgrade illegally and on false premises? And wasn't it Nato that bombed Libya illegally and on false premises? And isn't it Nato that is in Syria illegally and bombing the authorized government on false premises of chemical attacks in order to support the terrorists and keep the war going on.

IF NATO ISN'T AN AGGRESSOR, THEN WHO IS?

 

I know you choose to believe the crap about an "American coup in Kiev," but that is a Russian separatist propaganda line. It has no basis in fact.

 

The people they were bombing, of course.

 

NONSENSE COMRADE - uh, I mean NONSENSE.

 

USA is built and held together by an political idea that is shared by it's citizens. Its a country that does not have any common ethnic principals or a culture that is shared by its citizens. When it's citizens get divided in their common goals and political views a civil war might be possible.

Many will blame Trump because of that, but Trump is only a product of the divison. You have the Left(Liberals) and Right(cons) groups just like you had communists and facist groups in Europe in the 30s, 40s.

I personally wouldn't want to se a civil war in US, not just because of their problems but it would affect the world.

 

Pffft....no.

 

At the same time, as you mention, 2 parties have to stretch themselves so much to get as many votes as possible that they find themselves in a position where they don’t really represent anyone’s true values, which results in people switching sides almost every election.
To me, individual character of a particular candidate is what’s important. I generally supports republicans, but couldn’t vote for Trump. At the same time liberal hysteria about everything trump is nothing but an amusement to me.

 

The only ones talking about civil war are those that want the U.S. to have one.

 

There is some hysteria, but there is also a hell of a lot of justified criticism. Trump doesn't behave like a president at all, and his rhetoric really is troubling, as is the cult-like devotion surrounding him. All of this is very un-American, really. A president does not attack the press like this. Trump does so constantly, and not justifiably, and does so with very strong words that clearly have an impact on impressionable people who are devoted to him personally and to the belief system that he is constantly courting with every speech, every rally, every tweet.

The guy has even called our media "fake news" to foreign officials while he was abroad! He honestly, seriously believes that rot. We can't be complacent or dismissive about this. This **** is dangerous, and not just because of Trump himself, but because of the growing influence of radical movements around him and empowered and encouraged by him.

 

I do disagree with some things he does, or would do them differently. It doesn’t change the fact that CNN likes to publish opinion pieces which literally instruct you how to think and what meanings of some words are (an article about the meaning of Nationalism by CNN comes to mind).
If left wants to be taken seriously they need to stop the tantrums and act like real opposition with real ideas. They sudden support for illegals is nothing but shock to me - Obama deported a lot of people at his time, during his tenure it was OK, but now we suddenly cry about deportations and ICE? I understand that the wall is not a solution, but does it justify the actions of local liberals trying to do everything they can to prevent building it in their area? Does opposition to Trump justify California town mayor publicly warning illegals that ICE is on the mission to capture illegals in their towns?
Can you see a rational independent supporting Dems after all they did in the last 2 years? I just can’t come to vote for any because of their unnecessary opposition against everything Trump, no matter how much they defy logic. I think the excessive use of executive orders was started by Obama, but no one noticed it till Trump came to office. I wonder why.
How about Russian collusion - Trump gave Ukraine anti-tank missiles, ordered the slaughter of hundreds of Russians in Syria back in February, something Obama never dared to do, yet Trump is Pootins puppet? Blows your mind, doesn’t it?
Or latest - slaughter at sinagoge is Trumps fault, never mind the fact that his daughter, son in law and grandkids are Jews and nevermind the fact the he was the only one from Clinton, Bush and Obama to actually move the embassy to Jerusalem, even though congress supported it back in 90s.

WTF happened to logic? Is critical thinking becoming the dying art?

 

That Doomsday Clock is a little like Zeno's paradox; always being moved forward but never quite reaching the finish line.

 

This is what's happening. I predict that once Republicans lose the House we will see even more of this as they see 2020 approaching. "Y'all better watch out, we're the REAL America and we got all kinds of guns. If ya'll don't vote for Trump there's gonna be a revolution and we'll kill y'all.....(and the first thing ya gotta do is stop all this violent rhetoric)

No ****, this is how these people think they'll get everyone on their side "Vote for us or we'll kill you"

Jesus CHRIST you are delusional, either that or you have mastered stealth to the point that all your militias are utterly invisible to anyone but yourselves

 

Funny you should ask that. I don't see you being very critical in your thinking as regards "the left." I don't care much for how the Democrats have been doing things, whether that was during Obama's years or since then. If I vote for Democrats this year, it will be as a statement of support for progressive policies, and a statement that I oppose Trump in most respects. I don't think his policies are responsible and well-informed, and I definitely disagree with everything about him personally, at least as a politician. He isn't a politician, really, but he's in the position of one - the nation's most powerful one - anyway. Ugh.

 

Delusional about sums it up.

 

BTW, I meant to say Anericans aren't socialists.

How to distribute wealth and income is vexing problem. Unless and until the average guy is prepared to save a significant portion of his income, society can't accumulate capital if income is directed to average folks instead of richer people.

 

With the current climate of political opinion an extreme fall of the economy could start a civil war, so as long as the Trump economy continues it's present coarse, we'll be OK.

 

The people in the countries we're talking about don't like Russia and want protection from Russisn domination. Can you blame them?

 

As long as you don't start a war, there won't be one. NATO won't attack Russia.