America is edging closer to civil war

I also say let's pull out of a lot of these international organazations that cost billions per year. Stop spending hundreds of billions of aid to other countries per year when their neighboring countries don't contribute jack ****.

There are many ways to get out of debt and to get America back on its best feet.

 

It was worth it, to those people in the private sector, who put much of those trillions in their own pockets, right? And not talking about the low paid soldiers either. Lots of money in war these days. Lots of private contractors, and a big industrial complex that makes what the soldiers need to wage such wars.

 

if it makes sense I agree, but we have to make sure it makes sense, if it will cost us more to defend ourselves without allies then keep the allies
if it will cost more to let Russia take over where we back off in the long run, then don't back off

we need to be smart with our money

 

but sadly those Trillions do not seem to have made it back to the American economy, they just added debt

 

Big bad russia. An economy that is so small, a war budget that ours makes look tiny in comparison. And yet we need the US military plus NATO to keep them from invading western europe Pardon me while I laugh my old arse off! ha ha ha ha ha ha

Takes treasure and industry to wage the kind of ware you chikun littles fear!! Those big bad, evil russians!! They send shivers up my spine!!

But I would not fu** with em, too much, for they can fry your arse and mine too with their nukes, in a war no one wins, no matter what some of the nuts believe today about winning MAD.


I know we need another USSR and communist revolution threat, but you will not find find that with russia. Poor nations don't wage conventional big wars, like invading europe, and win them. Just so you know. And nuking europe is MAD, so a little rationality is in order here. For the fear mongers who are clueless.

 

Haha, you need to google the strength of just our military alone. I'll give you a hint: (world power rankings- detailed reasons).

We'll be JUST FINE without these money-sucking nations

 

Sure it made it back. We borrowed it, and the elites banked it. Offshore perhaps, but that money ended up in pockets. Not mine. Nor any average american to any great degree.

 

So, Russia's neighbors should be relieved because other nations are, or have been, imperialists?

I'll keep your concerns in mind if I ever stoop to justifying imperialism.

Uh huh.

IOW, no justification at all.

 

Get this: the peoples of countries threatened by Russia have every right to join NATO to prevent Russia from dominating them. Putin is a pig. Period.

 

OP...I hope so. No other choice when the dems take control. Conservative views are no longer popular. That is why I think the US should be broken up into 2 party run divisions. If not the whole thing will come under dem rule soon. When the dems have perpetual control, say goodbye to the guns and learn how to talk Spanish.

Here is the proverbial deal...

I don't have time to breast feed you all the charts, but it does not matter, they are all similar in trend. Conservative values for dope, homosexuality, the 2A, abortions, immigration are all going downhill...fast.

Here is the homosexual chart as just one example.



Pretty soon the reps will have had their last hurrah and it will be all dem from then on out. It is not a pipedream...it is your future. Conservative views are no longer popular.

 

So they're moving from one Shole country to another. Seems the effects of communism and invasions are still being felt.

 

And he also lost the war in Iraq, thereby creating ruination in the Middle East and a permanent change in Europe. Of course the EU contributed to the mess also.

 

Putin refuses to bow to Washington and Soros' liberal new world order, and even worse he's a Christian and that's a no-no - so of course he's a pig. What greater proof do you need than that.




Give it up!

 

Up up and away

 

Georgia and Ukraine were robbed and destroyed by those who Washington installed - the same as Russia was in the 90's. This is why they're leaving for Russia. People have to eat you know. Thank God for Vladimir Putin. At least he's human.

 

I have news for you, without the US Russia would be in Paris in a week. The only nations in Nato with formidable armies is Turkey and Greece. Well, Greece has to protect itself you know?

The point is, why would Russia want Europe? What does Europe have that Russia doesn't have - except maybe Brie. But I don't think it's going to go to war for that.

It's paranoia on the part of the West - and what do paranoids do? They project! The Europeans always lusted for Russia's land and wealth, so they assume Moscow lust's for their own - except they don't have anything.

There is no logic to it, except maybe for the Baltic countries with Russian populations, who they treat as second hand citizens to get them to leave. It really comes down to who does the land belong to, the people who are living on it and who have lived on it for generations, or for some government and people that have no connection to it?

This is what went on in Ukraine. The Gallicians in Western Ukraine who killed off the Poles in WWII to grab their land, now want to kill off the Russians in the Donbas to grab their land - even though they never laid a foot on it.

 

It seems that when things go wrong anywhere in the world it's America's fault. What did they do this time?

 

I thought Russia was to blame for everything.

Well the coup in Kiev was supported by the US. Nuland and Ambassador Pyatt chose Ukraine's president. It was also our troops that were training the Georgian military before they attacked S. Ossetia. Did Shashkavili do it on his own? To be honest, I don't know!

 

I've heard that charge before and wondered how two rather lowly American officials could possibly determine the future of Georgia and the Ukraine. Were they really that weak and so easily influenced?

 

That all you have as a response is a puerile PF Rule Violation says volumes regarding the vapidity of your position.

 

Please provide credible nonpartisan substantiation that America spends "hundreds of billions of aid to other countries per year".

 

This is the reality of capitalism. Just like in the USA.

 

No ... but maybe stop fingering Russia (formerly USSR) with accusing them ... if your own (US) actions are as evil in other places as Russia does!

That's right ... no justification for the usual, ridiculous US hypocrisy of indicting others for evil stuff that the US is doing just as badly!

 

I think it is a fact that our CIA worked with NGOs in helping to replace an elected president of ukraine. We even have a recorded phone call between Nuland and our ambassador there, picking who would replace the elected president. So there is that fact. Given this, I think it would be rather difficult for you to defend what we did in ukraine, our involvement there. But of course, we operated in this fashion, because of the Cold War, and the communist revolution of the USSR. But the USSR and that communist revolution is no more! But we got so used to operating in this fashion, that we just could not stop!

What were our national security interests, that would cause us to interfere and help the coup in ukraine? That is the question. There are various theories out there, and all of them seem rather nefarious.

 

The vast majority of that debt belongs to Bush.

Obama added the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the general budget. Something Bush refused to do. This was the cause of the massive spike in debt under Obama.

Obama of course did do some deficit spending, but considering he inherited an economy on the verge of sliding into another great depression, I will forgive him that.