Why are guns holy objects in this country?

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    Who wants to get a group of 1000 anti gunners get residency in the state and declare Yakutat, City and Borough gun free and draft a constitution for the fishing borough of less then 600 people currently. After that we can advertise to let the anti gun population join by the thousands

    Its 10 times bigger then RodeIsland
     
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    Do you like steaks and burgers?
     
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    No, DC v Heller is literally about how you cant require guns to be stored like you want
     
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    The Fourth Amendment requires that searches be reasonable. Depending on circumstances, probable cause does not necessarily need to apply for a search to be reasonable.

    Look at drunk driving checkpoints. Most people that pass through them are sober and there is no reason to suspect them.
     
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    Guns that are that easy to convert to a machine gun, are considered machine guns by the federal government.
     
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    Strange how the Supreme Court struck down a gun control law in Heller.

    What does it matter how someone was killed? They are just as dead if they were killed with a knife. Or with a baseball bat.

    Sure they do.

    http://www.taurususa.com/security-system.cfm

    Restrictions are only allowed on rights if that restriction can be justified with a very good reason.

    No. We will continue to block unconstitutional laws from being passed.
     
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    Upholding our civil rights is hardly a scam.

    Because at the moment we only have four justices on the Supreme Court who are in favor of enforcing the Constitution.

    No. The militia is intended to be led by government officials.

    Only when acting under the command of government officials.

    Not really.

    Cities are not permitted to violate people's civil rights.

    Only by lower courts that were ignoring the Constitution.

    In fairness to them, setting major constitutional precedents isn't the job of the lower courts.

    They'd lose a lot of customers that way. I jumped from Symantec to McAfee when my Norton subscription ran out earlier this year. I also no longer stay at a Best Western Plus anymore when I am traveling.

    Nonsense. There are no credible stats that say anything of the sort.

    The NRA is not the mouthpiece of the manufacturers, and has been at odds with them in the past.
     
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    Why do people who want to violate civil rights always claim "reason" or "common sense"?
     
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    The second amendment was never intended to be about universal gun ownership, it was about how states and the nation would defend its self. They wanted state militias and not a national army.
    What conservative justice is against guns?
    So you admit that it allows the state government to restrict guns
    Well if the government hires members of a private militia to enforce their laws then that counts
    Regulated meant working properly in 1700s not regulations :)
    Its not the city violating any amendments, if the private militia is hired in replace of the police force or not, then its the militia removing peoples guns and upholding anti gun laws not the city.
    Eh they can set precedent for their states
    Not like they care, sure you can switch but the majority of americans want gun control and they still control the economy with their trillions of dollars
     
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    That is incorrect. The Second Amendment was intended to protect a preexisting right that has been understood to apply to all free men from the moment that it was created 2600 years ago.

    A militia is composed of free men called to service by the government.

    I suspect Roberts. He's not really a conservative.

    Not because of anything related to the militia. However, the government is allowed to impose restrictions so long as each restriction can be justified as a good idea, and so long as the restriction is not so severe that it impedes self defense.

    A militia that follows government orders and acts with government authority is not a private militia.

    Yes. I know.

    That is incorrect. If a city orders that someone's rights be violated, then that city is violating their rights.

    Most businesses don't like losing customers. At any rate, other businesses will be happy to offer service to freedom-loving people and make money from our patronage.
     
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    Within in the confides of the law.

    Get it right though, people only listen to a guns because they don't want to be shot.
    Guns were designed to kill.

    Was your gun designed to ring the cops?
    No.
    Was you gun designed to lock the doors at night?
    No.

    You might worship something designed to kill, but don't fool yourself that guns were designed to do anything more than kill.

    Threatening to do what a gun's built to do, isn't a second use.
    It's threatening to do the only use.

    That's why guns work well in crime and protection.
    They're lethal designed to kill.
    How is this the same as the blender? Which was designed to blend food.
    How is the the same as the waffle iron? Which was designed to toast waffles.
    That's why guns have an alter to worship it and the blender and the waffle iron doesn't; it's a killer designed to kill.
     
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    Self defense guns are designed to rapidly incapacitate.

    A defensive shooting that fatally wounds the attacker, but does not prevent him from killing the defender before succumbing, is not a successful defense.

    A defensive shooting that prevents the defender from being harmed is successful even if the attacker survives to stand trial.

    How come no one died in the last Olympic shooting competition?
     
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    It's designed to save lives by killing people.

    It's a killing machine.
     
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    The NRA are like Christians who won't be told any different;
    IQ seems to be lost to one tracked mindedness

    If I convinced America to put the guns down, I'd win a Nobel Prize!
    I ain't going to do it and no one can.
    It's like teaching the Theory of Evolution in Kansas.
     
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    So if an attempted defense fatally wounded the attacker but failed to save the life of the defender, would you count that as a successful defense?

    And if someone fended off an attack without killing their attacker, would you count that as a failed defense?

    We like our freedom and our civil rights.
     
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    yes they were either animals for you to eat or enemies soldiers or people trying to break into your house.

    police have to dispatch and get to the scene before they can protect you so in all reality they can't protect you because they don't live with you. And also police carry guns.
    door locks cannot protect you from people who can overcome door locks a firearm has that capability.

    why do you repeat this like it's some sort of damning argument? Yes they're designed to kill. if someone was going to kill me but I killed them first with my gun then I protected myself from being killed. That's why they were invented.

    well if it's a hunting rifle then it is because you don't want to threaten pray you want to kill them before they know you're there.

    well they're similar they're not the same. they are similar in ways with those objects because they are just objects that can be used to do things.
    No guns don't have an altar or worship this is just idiotic hyperbole from people who can't see past their own selves and understand there are other people that have different thoughts than they do.

    I carry a gun not because I believe that will cleanse my sins but because I can use it to stop a threat. What you said is just dumb.
     
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    You will try to do whatever you want. But you will not declare what is and is not constitutional on here unless you are a scotus judge. Well you can....but I will just laugh
     
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    So it can never be overturned? Are you kidding?
     
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    Y'know I'm still looking for another use here apart from killing or the threat of killing.
    Like the song said, 'live and let die.'
    To kill to eat or to kill not to be killed, is still killing.
    The gun was designed to do this and this alone.
    You stand by carrying a gun like someone stands by their God, you're not showing me any sense of people getting by without guns; you're saying it's your protector you have faith in.

    As I said, I can't tell America to put down your/their guns even I wanted to.
    That, would be some Nobel Prize winning ****, this isn't debating if you worship the gun, you do, this is understanding that, it's because it's a thing that kills.
    Otherwise, go worship your anthrax or your blender.
     
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    There are two overwhelming common denominators.......1) Psychotropic drugs......2) Violent 1st person shooter video games.
     
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    That is just nonsense. They have that in Europe too
     
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    Show me.
     

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