Wow do I hate marijuana.

The most disturbing thing is the obama and hillary stickers. The worst I ever encountered from a pot head was they usually have a long story with no ending.....but obama/hillary supporters? Yikes!!!!

 

We entered a period around 40-50 years ago where psychiatry began to expand it's definitions, to include what had always been recognized as behavioral issues as mental issues.
Children who wouldn't pay attention (and were disciplined, which when properly done, generally worked) started being diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder. Lot of things got labels as disorders, syndromes, etc- displacing the responsibility for bad conduct with medical diagnosis; removing the childs responsibility for their own actions and getting them sympathy instead of discipline. As a result, we drugged hell out of kids who weren't acting as we expected them to. I look at what we have today as a result, and I see a much more damaged society, with weaker people perceiving themselves as victims and thereby powerless to deal with their own condition, except through drugs, and we programmed them to think that is normal and necessary. . This has only made things worse; it is a crutch and a dependency. We are the only species on the planet that thinks we need to be drugged to manage life.

The number of people today who can manage their own mental processes- reason, anger, values, logic- has fallen precipitously. The mind is created not quite as a complete device with all mechanisms in place. It is more like a computer before the logic and software are installed. The BIOS of the computer is the equivalent of the sub-conscious which holds the interactive and interpretive standards in a person. It gets programmed very early in life- not by spoken instruction, but by imprint coming from observation of those around them. Thus, irresponsible parents program irresponsible children by the way their own conduct, which imprints the "bios" of the childs mind. This is extremely hard to recognize as faulty, let alone change as you mature. It can be done, but the condition fights the process all the way. Parents can not pass on what they don't have, so children growing up in such environments are programmed with the same thing.

If something truly is a mental disease, then the models shaping the behavioral logic would not matter- but they not only matter, they are primary in the shaping of the personality, values and perceptions of that child. People who know how to manage the functions of their mind are generally able to manage their lives well. People who can't, generally think the concept of managing your own mind is some kind of fantasy, something impossible. Much like a computer- Garbage in, Garbage out. Computers do not program themselves, and neither do brains. In many cases- somebody botched the job. While it is possible to re-program yourself, very few can; I am one who has- and has also taught the process to many, including psychologists. First requirement is to accept that the problem is real, then that the power to change is within your power alone, and accept the responsibility to do it. Very few can. It's not as impossible as un-ringing a bell, and it's not dangerous... but it takes courage that most people in this condition simply cannot sustain.

Best psychological model of this was created by a psychologist, Dr Albert Ellis and is known as Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy. What I developed and taught was done without knowledge of him or his theory; it was brought to my attention by a psychologist attending a seminar who noted the similarity between them.

We should all be whole people, able to control our own minds, our own choices- and our own lives. So long as we use artificial means to compensate for what we seem unable to deal with, our dependency continues. I think the field of psychology has done us a great dis-service by defining behavioral issues as mental ones. We aren't that defective, we simply have been failing to lay down solid foundations for our minds to work from.

 

the reality is, cannabis is illegal at the federal level so your not gonna see clinical trials giving people cannabis that have not taken it before to preform such testing unless the government gives approval, which is rare and usually biased

but as so many people have used cannabis and so few cases of any issues at all, it seems to be a pretty safe plant - alcohol on the other hand we have seen many issues

I am for ending prohibition of cannabis as there is no reason to make it illegal

 

Even Trump is for ending federal laws against Marijuana

maybe that is why Trump got rid of Sessions, as Sessions was anti-Marijuana

 

as long as your admitting it has medical purposes, then your also admitting it should not be a scheduled 1 drug as a scheduled 1 drugs can have no known medical purpose

from the dea's own site

https://www.dea.gov/drug-scheduling

"Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."

 

Nothing to do with what I was talking about. Studies indicate that it causes permanent damage to the brain when used at an early age.

There will never be a statistic that shows a person who used marijuana at a young age who cannot hold a job at age thirty or has mental problems at age fifty. Not because it does not happen, but simply because no such statistics are gathered. The results are tragic.

 

if you agree it has medical purposes then you must agree is does not fit the definition of a scheduled 1 substance right? how could you not?

"Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."

because people like that exist that use or do not use Marijuana disproves your association, just cause one of those lazy people would choose to use Marijuana does not mean the Marijuana caused it, common sense - be like saying if a Christian priest molests children, all priests are dangerous to children - one does not mean the other - don't confuse causation vs correlation

 

Doesn't have a thing to do with what I was talking about.

Couple that with the studies and the pattern fits.

 

do you agree Marijuana has medical purposes? you sounded like you did? maybe I was mistaken.....

no such clinical studies exist of before and after Marijuana use due to federal regulations - taking troubled teens after the fact and associating something to the cause is not the same as actually being the cause, how many of those drank Alcohol or did other drugs, ate candy bars, had poor family life, the list goes on - don't confuse causation vs correlation

 

I remember reading something once that suggested that those who smoke marihuna tend to have less respect for authority. It wasn't clear if smoking marihuana made one more likely to resist authority or if it was that those who resist authority are more likely to smoke marihuana.

 

Marijuana has medical purposes. However, so do many products which will do you harm if used incorrectly.

Have you read the study I linked or have you just ignored it? Have you found any study by a reputable organization which has said that marijuana will not do permanent harm if used while young? You are just batting at the wind trying to rationalize your behavior or belief. I have science behind me. What do you have?

 

There are studies which show permanent changes in the activity in the brain after use of marijuana at a young age.

 

I see. My chemical imbalance is my fault. Lulz. HAGD. And we wonder why people with chemical imbalances are afraid to come forward. Good luck fixing your own broken arm. Just wish it away and all will be fine. Blech

 

I would suggest you avoid smoking weed then.....though you could use a bit of mellow.

 

i don’t.

 

I do...

 

It's as insane as classifying psilocybin shrooms as schedule 1. That also means highly addictive.

Who ever made that call never ate shrooms. After a good trip the LAST thing on your mind is "OMG! I gotta have more shrooms, now"!!!!

 

To hard to find these days. Have not had a bag in years with viable seed. Everyone is growing sensimelia.

 

I'm lucky; I was born before the shrinks decided to promote drugs for everything. I had to actually, as you say- fix myself. Only took about 20 years, but I had no help, and that probably made it easier.

I've had psychologists tell me that what I have done on my own was impossible to do- yet admitted I had done it. They often attended my seminars on the method, to learn how it worked. Now maybe somewhere along the line I learned something that most didn't. Perhaps the most important thing is that the man who collects proof of why he can't and why it's not his fault surrenders the only power that can change things for him- and without understanding that, he trades it for the privilege of excusing himself. Of course he will argue that, and of course he is insulted by the concept. And sadly, there's not a damn thing you can do to help him.

Everybody has problems. Some people aren't willing to settle for living with them and fight for something better- but most just accept it and believe they have no control. Unfortunately, too many people tell them that is true. Chemical imbalance? You're treating a conditional symptom here, not curing a problem.
This "problem" didn't exist as a medical issue until the psychiatric profession re-invented it, and began treating it with drugs- getting people conditioned to controlling themselves artificially. Did a great deal of good for the Psychiatry and drug industries of course.

A broken arm is a physical injury, not something we could control but chose not to. Most of the new psychological disorders are not similar; they are a symptom of a mindset. Of course, chemical imbalances change with mindsets, and that can be measured and shown. But WHY do they change? The body itself IS a chemical factory, and much of the way it controls itself is by the level and nature of chemical messages it sends out, especially in regard to emotions. When you allow yourself to get angry, I assure you your chemical balance is shifting. That, like many of the chemical messages are controlled by how you think. For example, adrenalin is produced in response to fear or great urgency- and those are "feelings". People can manage their thoughts, their anger, their fears- IF they require it of themselves, and don't expect others to adjust the world to make them happy. I think every person has experienced that; talking themselves into depression by focusing on one thought or view, finding themselves helpless and stressing when they don't think they can cope, and some bringing themselves out of depression by concentrating on the positives. The capacity of the person to do this is controlled only by the person themselves- and of course, doing so often takes self discipline and responsibility, which you learn by growing up in an environment that requires it. That doesn't happen when you drug a child to get the conduct you want, and tell them they are sick and have no control over their behavior. You have programmed them into a state that makes them dependent, and they are stuck. Stuck with using drugs to change a chemical imbalance which is a result of uncontrolled emotions- a mindset. It tends to be a self-perpetuating and self-expanding problem.

Do you have any idea how rapidly the drug dependence is growing? How many die from becoming drug dependent? It grows, exponentially; every year it rises faster. about 80,000 people last year... while firearms and auto accidents combined were about half that. There are times when drugs are vitally important and save lives. Using them to control what a person can do for themselves does just the opposite. How did we get along so well, control ourselves without this in the past? Just luck? Hardly.

Some of the quickest learners I ever worked with were recovering drug addicts, that had hit bottom so hard it shattered all they thought they knew- and they were able to start over without the imprinted concepts of the past. I think I learned more from them than they did from me.

Sorry you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you, and I'm not trying to insult you. I learned a long time ago that knowing the answer and getting someone else to consider it are two different things, and no one can do so until they are ready. Most never will be. That's a huge amount of lost potential and lives.

 

I doubt many people are advocating pot for children.

 

All you have to know about trusting anything the government says about pot can be gained by watching " Reefer Madness"

 

Yes: there cannot be a deliberate typo:

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What did I win?

 

I saw a propaganda poster of a teen boy sitting with his head between his knees, it said, "I smoked pot once and now I'm gay! LOL surprised they did not say a "gay communist"!

 

It's actually the complete opposite! The second time was the cure for me, nasty trip, strychnine is a crappy way to get colors and lockjaw!

Then again I grew up close to Berkeley college in the late 60's, so I'm a little spoiled

 

You don't have to be a child. It permanently affects the brain until it is fully developed which is about age 25. These are just a few quotes from a study.
"Marijuana use among teens is thought to be more widespread than alcohol use. Yet, many parents still don't believe their teen would ever smoke pot."
"Many parents also think pot must be harmless because they believe it's a "natural herb." But studies show marijuana can have harmful effects on a teen's developing brain."
"People who use marijuana prior to the age of 12 are twice as likely to experience a serious mental illness compared to those who first use marijuana at age 18 or older."
"Among persons aged 18 or older who reported lifetime marijuana use, almost 53 percent report first using marijuana between ages 12 and 17. About 2 percent report that they first used marijuana before age 12"
"Marijuana accounts for 17 percent of admissions to treatment facilities in the United States, second only to opiates among illicit substances."
https://www.verywellmind.com/marijuana-use-by-teens-statistics-2610207