Harvard Grad Student Facing Eviction over Legally Owned and Stored Firearms

Non-discrimination laws say otherwise. Besides, statistics are meaningless in determining individual behavior. Totally meaningless, as they are not based on any information specific to the person you're judging.

 

I don't see your renter as a customer. When they rent an apartment that's their home. A landlord can't just ask them to leave.

I still think people should be able to practice their rights within their own home.

 

The landlord can ask, but there are eviction processes that have to be observed. She wisely stayed put and went back to her studies. I doubt that he can force her to to pay the additional rent. I do, however, see the renter as a customer. They can decide to "buy" the product or not, depending on the rules that come with the property. In this particular case, there were none mentioned with respect to guns.

I don't like neighborhood associations for the same reason: people who don't pay the mortgage on a property telling the homeowner what they can do and can not do. Some rules are pretty silly, like flying flags, or cleaning vehicle oil leaks off the driveway. But I do recognize that whether one is a home owner or renter, there are some instances where actions might have an adverse affect on the whole. That's where ordinances, contracts, etc come into play. I agree with you that the landlord was not within his rights to try to make her leave. I only express some doubts as to where, exactly, the line is clearly drawn between the rights of the renter/customer and the landlord/owner/ Association.

 

The only way for someone to discover my guns if they searched my home would be if they had the same exact fingerprints as me.

Even if I were to leave for the weekend, my guns are safe and secured, and would remain so in my absence.

The fact that these guns were discoverable at all proves that they were not initially stored correctly.

What if, instead of the roommates, it was a burglar ransacking the girls room?

The guns would have been found and stolen.

Why? Because they were not properly secured.

And the onus of that security rests entirely on the shoulders of the gun owner.

In this case that person is Pirnie herself. And she failed to properly secure her weapons.

 

so if you have to go through a legal process to deny someone their home which they paid for, it's not like asking someone to leave Starbucks because they smell bad.

despite the fact that you have to go through legal process, that possibly involves hearings in a court before a judge in order to deny them service?

That doesn't sound like a customer to me. McDonald's doesn't have to file eviction notices to kick people out who aren't wearing a shirt.

so if you purchase a house in a neighborhood with an h o a it says you can't own firearms, does the h o a have the right to sue you for exercising your rights on your property?

just FYI, landlords don't pay mortgages renters do. That is what rent is.

well legally he's not within his right he would have to file eviction notices

Well I would tell you where I draw the line and did you decide if it makes sense.

It should be drawn at the point where it becomes someone's home. If you are paying for your home through rent it doesn't make it any less your home it just means when you leave it's not yours anymore so you don't have to sell it.

If you are not even allowed to practice your rights within your home that you paid for through rent this isn't a free country.

That's my view anyway.

 

Has anybody in authority actually asked her where they are? If not than she doesn't have to say a thing. It's the people who make the claims that have that responsibility. That's the same in any argument or court room. What is strange though is how you keep deflecting away from having to back up anything you've said. Your entire argument is based on speculations and unknowns. How about you stick to the facts.

 

fallacy: appeal to authority.

in the usa, comparing a white person to a black person, the white is statistically 769.23% less likely to commit homicide than a black. and a female of any race is 368.15% less likely commit homicide than a male of any race. lastly, a lawfully owned firearm is 362.50% less likely to be used in the commission of a homicide than an illegal one.

conclusion: a lawfully-armed white woman (like me and this gal at harvard) is statistically far less dangerous than an unarmed black man, whom is unfortunately disproportinately represented in every category of violent crime.

hence this pack of sniveling little ****s who went rifling through their roommate’s belongings will be raped by a black columbia point dawg or a 4th street hustla long before their grad student roommate snaps on her MAGA hat too tight and goes all annie oakley on their entitled little asses. if they’re lucky, she catches d’kwan in the act and puts a bullet in his worthless thug skull before he can penetrate the intimacy of one of the snivelers. that would be poetic justice, if not at least ironic, wouldn’t you agree?

 

Didn't this student have guns unlocked and loaded in the apartment?

 

I don't agree that no gun puts your life in danger.

 

That is a fact unless you think leaving a loaded unlocked gun in a place accessable to anyone entering the house while she is off for the werkend is the sign of a responsible gun owner. And if you do you should have a gun.

 

So if someone kicks in my front door what do you suggest? Perhaps I should wave my dick at him?

 

What do you think unlocked means? What do you think unsecured means?

unsecured
[uhn-si-kyoo rd]
See more synonyms for unsecured on Thesaurus.com
adjective

1. not secured, especially not insured against loss, as by a bond or pledge:an unsecured loan.
2. not made secure, as a door or lock of hair; unfastened.
3. not protected against tapping or interception, as a telephone line or radiocommunication.
   

Origin of unsecured
1770–80; un-1 + secured
Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2018
Related Words for unsecured
relaxed, sloppy, lax, easy, baggy, detached, limp, hanging, escaped, floating, unlocked, separate, disconnected, free, released, unhinged, slack, clear, undone

 

So if the queen had balls she would be king.
"IF" is the most commonly used word in the English language. "If" you go swimming should you always carry a spear gun for protection?
"If" you are walking down the street, should you always carry a gun for protection? "If" you fly on an airplane, should you be allowed to carry a gun for protection? I can understand a locked handgun of sorts in an apartment, and not having a gun does not put your life in danger.

 

hummmm... what part of “safely stored under lock and key” don’t you understand?

 

what part of “safely stored under lock and key” are you having trouble understanding?

 

You clearly have no clue what the conversation you came into was about! LOL I have not claimed anything about where all the guns were found but notice that you did not reply to Sharpie who made a claim saying that they had to go through her drawers and closets and ransack her room to find them. More LOL at you to linking it to a court room. Meanwhile no statement from the gun owner to where her guns were found and clearly were not locked up else they would not have been found

 

My question was 'were they unlocked and loaded' and not whether they were safely stored under lock and key, because they were obviously not safely stored under lock and key.

 

Depends. Do you have sharks in your pool?

Yes.

The pilot sure should.

Until it does.

 

take it up with the op then.

 

Can you prove that unlocked means the same as unsecured in this situation? Answer the question and then prove it if they are the same. Yes or no. Now answer it without trying to deflect.

 

No, because campus police carry just as the pilot carries.

 

I didn't reply to a lot of people. What of it? But her own roommates admitted they went through her closet, drawers, and under her bed. You have done everything you can think of to argue non facts in this case. You want to make claims without backing them up. You want to play what ifs as if those things actually happened. And you want to take non statements as a measure of guilt.

You can lol all you want but the fact is you haven't proved a single thing in 25 pages of this thread. That is a measure of failure that I rarely see on this board when all you have to do is to stick with what is actually there. So don't come at me or anyone else on here like you have some kind of moral high ground against her when all it boils down to for you is which way is the wind blowing politically. So either man up with evidence or back down since you have nothing.

 

Arh, poor you, you sound hurt. You have no clue what you are talking about. The guns were not safely stored under lock and key otherwise they would not have been found or any container identified as containing guns. You have been doing a really poor effort in defending an irresponsible gun owner

 

Honest question:

Would you consider a gun, any gun, "secured" if all that is needed to find them "loaded and unlocked" is to open a drawer or two?

The reason I ask is that no one, not the roommates, and not Pirnie, has suggested that to find the guns "locked and loaded" one had to break down a locked door, or break in to a locked cabinet.

You want to focus on the actions of the roommates. Implying that they are the culprits here.

While I believe that Pirnie had a civic duty to ensure that her legally owned and permitted firearms were beyond the reach of anyone.

They obviously weren't, by her own admission.

 

What the hell does campus police have to do with anything here? And, yes, I would object to being asked for my permit (which I have), as the mere presence of a firearm is not RAS or PC for a Terry Stop.