Half of All U.S. Adults Have Immediate Family Member Currently or Previously Incarcerated

https://www.fwd.us/news/groundbreak...-member-currently-or-previously-incarcerated/



Prisons, by the way, are interesting because they allow to utilize the unemployed without spoiling the statistics on unemployment.
In addition, in commercial prisons the labor of prisoners costs a penny for corporations.

If we add the NSA's total surveillance of its citizens, torture, the "Patriot Act", aggressive foreign and domestic policy and the like, obviously - in the United States the fascist dictatorship.

What do you think of it?

 

Build more prisons. Make them less-pleasant places to be. Change the laws to incarcerate fewer people who commit non-violent crimes, and, incarcerate MORE people who commit violent crimes. If convicted, put these criminals in prisons for the full length of LONG sentences... and KEEP them there... no parole!

Decriminalize drug use, BUT, punish HARSHLY all violent crimes committed as a result of drug use. Legalize sales of drugs for recreation, and use ALL of the taxes collected from these sales to build or add onto PRISONS -- not "prevention programs", "councelling" or any other welfare-esque crap.

Let people make up their own minds what they want to do. If they want to throw their lives away on drugs -- let them! If people want to commit violent crimes, then let them do that, too. And then punish that category of criminal harshly!

 

Prisons are institutions of higher learning to enhance and expand the criminal mind.

 

And I should have added the entire cost of expanding the crimnal mind is borne by tax payers.

 

I disagree. For many long-term cases, send them off to an island.
Should there be two different types of prisons?
instead of long prison sentences, send criminals off to an island

 

totally agree, i'd also add bring back public executions, i'd love to see a rapist/murderer at the guillotine in central park, broadcast live on every channel and have them executed within an hour of conviction, take 'em straight from the courtroom and execute the bastards.

 

The squishy-assed hyperliberal ACLU would bitch, scream, and fight a move like that (OR the one about immediate capital punishment) like mad dogs in every court with an equally liberal judge sitting on it! Put prisoners in a real prison...?! INHUMAN!

Too bad for the Nazi big-wigs that they didn't have the ACLU defending them at the Nuremberg Trials... The outcome if the ACLU had been on the job? The Allies would have had to issue apologies to the Nazis, and paid them restitution in the hundreds of millions of dollars....

 

Internet tough guys...

 

I propose a different version of the three strikes rule. Instead of life in prison send all 3 strike offenders to some big uninhabited archipelago for life and surround it with mines. Drop them a care package and say good luck. if you insist on being a barbarian then your right to live in civilized society should be revoked .

 

I question if this is true. There are 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US. That is not even 1% of the country. The majority of people in prison are also multiple offenders, so it is not like they are cycling in new people all the time. I don't see any way this could mathematically work out. For 50% of the population to have an immediate family member who is or has been imprisoned would mean that somewhere around 15% of the population would have needed to have been imprisoned at some time. That mean about 50 million different people would need to have been imprisoned. Google says 2.5% of the adult US population has a felony conviction. That is a little over 6 million people. For these 6 million people to be immediately related to 113 million is impossible. I say BS.

 

What does that even mean?

 

Shall I spell it out fer yous?

 

You don't think we would support this in public also?

 

Some sobering stats. US has almost a quarter of the world's prisoner population despite having just 5 per cent of the total population.

Blacks make up about 40% of the prison pop. despite being only 13% overall.

Almost half of convictions are for non-violent drug offences and many of these never go to trial because of the plea bargaining system.

The privitized prison system uses what amounts to slave labour to generate profit for private contracted industries. Whole communities have come to rely on private prisons to generate jobs and income.

Some free country, huh?

 

Prisons (at least here in Fl) are prohibited by law from using inmates for private labor. Here they work for the DOT and public works. Have you found otherwise?

 

Link to the full report, please. So far, your link hasn't provided any scientific evidence, nor any details regarding individual states. Is Puerto Rico included?

 

Sobering is good, so here's a sobering rebuttal: the US of A is not a state, but a federation of 50 states (51 with Puerto Rico). Individual states statistics should be taken into account for comparison with other states worldwide, not statistics at a federal level. Who'd even think to compare the level of criminality in, say, France, with the level of criminality in south-east Asia (11 countries)?

 

I'd be interested in seeing a source and further reading.

 

An interesting observation. In Nazi Germany for the theft of a bicycle, police had the right shooting could be applied. And even for ticketless travel in public transport. They said - "It undermines the country's economy." And it is so much stuck in the minds of the Germans that even in the 80s, none of them even had the idea to steal a bicycle.
But then the liberal fascists came to power, they brought hordes of savages to Germany and the memory of inevitable punishment was gone.
It was the same in Romania during the reign of Vlad Tepes, better known as Count Dracula, thanks to novel and cinematograph. For appropriation of another's property Tepes cruelly punished any. And some travelers noted that the lost wallet could lie on the street for several days and nobody raised it, fearing a terrible death. Only the city guard had the right to raise the wallet and bring it to the treasury.

 

I do not know whether Puerto Rico is included. But you can ask the author of the article.

 

I think only government should be operating prisons and only government work should be available for prisoners. They shouldn't be competing against private labor and no one should be profiting off prisoners. Those are major conflicts of interest.

They could build mail trucks and maintain govt vehicles, landscape public property, process forms, answer/direct phonecalls, etc. This is already done to a limited extent- they make liscence plates in some prisons and theres prison wildland firefighting crews.

 

I completely agree. Now the system operates as in fascist Germany, when prisoners of war and criminal prisoners worked in the factories of Krupa, Porsche and other German capitalists

 

Do you have any evidence of inmates working for private industry and others profiting?

 

About 8% of our prisons in the US are private, profit driven. (I thought it was way higher than that... Still bad though).

 

I actually somewhat agree. There should be NO penalties for any drug use and very stiff penalties for violent crimes. If we did that we'd have to close prisons not build new ones.

We have a Gulag in America and our political prisoners are actually drug offenders.