Existence: What is the point?

Then there is the Buddhist, Zen in this case, view which I adhere to. I came to this after watching a young man die. I watched him, in his final moments, as he looked around at his waning world and wondered what he saw? What he saw was the only thing that we have, that moment. What's in that moment, what isn't it, its ramifications, just and only that, the present moment.

 

Actually even in a godless universe there appears to be a good and bad and the good is dictated by genetic survival and / or species survival. That may be the reason behinds man's tribalism and racism.

 

Weak, very weak.

 

Why would god provide an objective purpose. Even a purpose given by god would be subject to the whims of god and therefore be subjective. You might just as well claim purpose dictated by government is objective.

 

Man creates god out of fear of the abyss. And yes you are right, you can either man up and face the reality of nothingness or you can create a comforting myth to shield yourself from reality and reason. Personally I have never understood why some people are so afraid of not being that they have to make up an entirely separate imaginary reality.

 

So it might be perceived, by someone with such immunity to the truth as you have consistently manifested.

 

You contradict yourself here - Obviously if it is our destiny in a God made universe it is possible in a God made universe. Even if there is a God - we don't know for sure what the nature or characteristics of this God are - or even if God made the universe - perhaps God is the universe.

We do know for sure that we exist. If it the case that God is in control of this existence ..then God would be able to snuff out existence.
By the rules of the universe in which we currently exist - the argument I made holds. Perhaps God can change the rules.

If there is no God - then it is a given. If there is a God - it may still be a given.

I did not speculate on "how" existence happened. My proof only relies on the fact that it did happen. Outside of external intervention - such as from a God - existence is infinite.

The question is then - why would God bother to intervene. What would be the point ?

 

I was under the impression the simple answer for theists is because God wants his creations to worship and obey him. He even holds out a sweet bribe for such obsequiousness.

 

Pretty much, yeah.

No, He would never countenance that.

 

Truth being your god delusions unsupportable by evidence or logic?

 

your worst enemy, obviously. You're welcome.

 

heaven isn't a sweeeeet reward for towing his imagined line, prostrating oneself before him and begging for a ticket to paradise?

 

No one would ever get to Heaven that way, obviously.

 

Lets go back to the full text of what you wrote and not your quote mined version.

My reply.

So I will ask again what is the unintended consequence, why should a life with no objective purpose be an unintended consequence of philosophical opinions.
You act as if there must be an objective purpose, why?

 

If you could not follow that simple line of reasoning, and the repetition, what point is there me repeating it again?

It seems to me you are just attempting to fan some flame war rhetoric..

If you believe there are no consequences to ones beliefs, i cannot help you understand.

 

It was not a simple line of reasoning, it was quote mining and again falsifying what I wrote. So again I will ask.

So I will ask again what is the unintended consequence, why should a life with no objective purpose be an unintended consequence of philosophical opinions.
You act as if there must be an objective purpose, why?

If you cannot answer my question and are prepared to accept that no objective purpose could well be an INTENDED consequence of philosophical opinion then retract your original statement.

Stop the adhoms and fallacies.

 

1. Existence is not infinite. Physical life is not, and even matter can be destroyed through nuclear disintegration.
2. The motives for a Supreme Being creating everything is unknown, by any logical analysis. We can only consider the possibility of a supernatural cause for origins.
3. IF... IF... IF... there is a supernatural cause for origins, THEN... THEN... THEN.. there MIGHT be a purpose or directive from the Creator.

IF.. IF.. IF.. there is NOT a God, or supernatural cause, but only atheistic naturalism, then there cannot be a 'purpose'. That is a meaningless delusion, to pretend 'meaning!' And 'purpose!', in a meaningless, godless universe.

What is so hard to understand? Is this not obvious?

 

No, there can still be subjective purpose and meaning, there are not necessarily meaningless delusions.

 

'Good and bad' are meaningless platitudes, in a godless universe. Species come and go, and it just is. Nothing is good or bad. Things happen purely by random chance, with no goal, purpose, or directive.

To believe otherwise is a delusion. If we cannot face the implications of our core beliefs, we delude ourselves, and live a contradiction.

 

First you have to prove that if there is a god, he has an objective purpose.

 

The grand thing about the human mind is that it can turn its own tables and see meaninglessness as ultimate meaning. John Cage

If there is no purpose or meaning to life a priori, how is any subjective belief in 'purpose & meaning!', anything but a delusion, to keep from facing reality?

Theists are accused of 'creating God!' because they can't face the emptiness of their own existence. How is pretending 'meaning & purpose!', in a godless universe any different?

 

IF... IF... IF... there is a supernatural cause for origins, THEN... THEN... THEN.. there MIGHT be a purpose or directive from the Creator.

IF.. IF.. IF.. there is NOT a God, or supernatural cause, but only atheistic naturalism, then there cannot be a 'purpose'. That is a meaningless delusion, to pretend 'meaning!' and 'purpose!', in a meaningless, godless universe.

What is so hard to understand? Is this not obvious?

 

We know that subjective meaning exists, your problem is that you cannot show objective meaning exists. What makes the meaning declared by any god objective?

 

Hmm.. yes i remember i put you on ignore, in the past. I don't like to do that, and I'll probably just skip over your posts, if this continues.. i will not be bullied to play your game. I deal in reason, and am bored to tears with snarky petulance from hecklers.

 

You are confusing lack of objective meaning with lack of subjective meaning.