"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

The deadly failure of single payer healthcare has been well documented.

"Our northern neighbor's admirers should consult its history. Nearly fifty years ago, Canada charged a youthful chief executive with a massive overhaul of its healthcare system -- just as the United States has today. Canada now has a half-century of proof that government-dominated healthcare systems force patients to wait interminably long times for subpar treatment."
REALCLEAR POLITICS, Don't Import Canada's Ideas on Health Care, By Sally Pipes, April 28, 2015. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...rt_canadas_ideas_on_health_care__126404.html#!

 

Single payer is nationalized healthcare.

 

I see.

 

actually, what has been documented is the fact that single payer is demonstrably superior to our for profit system. They provide better care for a fraction of what we pay. All the data confirms this.

 

lol, no it isn't. This is another example of you not knowing what the **** you are talking about.

 

good

 

Our system is also plagued by intrusive government interference and crony capitalism. It only looks good when compared to failed single payer systems.
The best healthcare will always be reserved for those who are able to pay for it directly.

"This failure is partially recognized in the CIHI report itself. By simply viewing the data from another angle we note that, overall, two out of 10 Canadians do not receive "priority procedures" within the remarkably long benchmarks used in the report (six months for hip and knee replacements, for example). Moreover, governments still do not generally report comprehensive and comparable information on wait times for most medically necessary procedures."
HUFFINGTON POST, Canada's Health-Care System Is Failing To Deliver Timely Care To Patients, By Bacchus Barua, 04/12/2016, Updated 04/13/2017.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/canada-health-care_b_9646872.html

 

What is a democrat state? But I assume you mean blue states. Of course - The majority of citizens live in what I call Blue states. And they are the states with the biggest problems with Unions, which I believe are a contributing cause to failing schools in blue states

VA is the VA! - the healthcare system set up for veterans.

 

but we know, from all the available data, that single payer is superior to our system. It provides better care than we do, at a fraction of the cost of what we pay.

 

Single payer systems tend to deliver pain, suffering and premature death to ordinary vulnerable human beings. It was apparently designed to achieve that result. Probably why Hitler and the NSDAP favored government healthcare.

"This means that when the public system is saturated, patients must either endure lengthy waits or leave Canada to receive treatment.
However, the overarching issue is that the predominance of government in the funding and delivery health care ensures the supply of health care is unable to meet the demand for it, and our stubborn refusal to learn from other universal health-care systems prevents us from correcting this imbalance."
HUFFINGTON POST, Canada's Health-Care System Is Failing To Deliver Timely Care To Patients, By Bacchus Barua, 04/12/2016, Updated 04/13/2017.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/canada-health-care_b_9646872.html

 

actually, what has been documented is the fact that single payer is demonstrably superior to our for profit system. They provide better care for a fraction of what we pay. Life expectancy is greater in countries with single payer, as well as low infant mortality rates. All the data confirms this.

 

Well as usual, you've opened your mouth but said nothing

 

Single payer. One source paying for all services.

Think about that.

 

You mistake your inability or refusal to comprehend, with me not saying anything.

 

There you go again. Ignoring the information contained in the reading list and repeating the faith based meme that is demonstrably false.

 

I have. Words mean things. Single payer is not nationalized healthcare.

 

You make a valid point followed by wishful thinking.

 

pointing out that you guys don't know what the **** you are talking about, and have been proven wrong on every point you've tried to make? My pleasure.

 

why are the payment rates low and why is rationing taking place in the cost is low?

Why does everyone always mention these outliers from healthcare delivery outside the US. Facts are this- we pay the most out of our GDP on healthcare and we don't have anywhere near the best system for ALL citizens. There are people in this country that pay for 10% of thier medical insurance and they have good insurance with Dental and Vision and prescription coverage with affordable co-pays. No one is ever going to convince that person to go with any other medical plan. Now most of these workers are tied to the public breast in some way, either direct or through a industry that contracts to the government and passes along the expense to the public or some Utility which is guranteed to make a profit. The only reason they want to keep the system as it is that it benefits them most than most. Totally understandable. But I don't understand presenting their argument as anything but. No one on the single payer/medicare for all side is saying that everyone is going to be happy with the system they propose, but the status quo guys seem to say to the opposing viewpoint that they are better off now.

 

The government will just tak your house, probably give it to a "nice" illegal couple who will vote demonrat.. fo'evah. That's how they'll "pay" for Medicare.

 

Not all services. You can buy private insurance to pay for doctors who choose not to opt in the they system. I am sure they are going to be private hospitals also just like in other countries that have basic healthcare covered for all. Again, in Canada, australia, New Zealand they are plenty of private providers.

 

No.

There is no difference between the tyranny of a majority from the tyranny of an individual.

 

In fact, single payer healthcare is a well documented nihilist hoax.

"A little over 2 months ago, the Society of Actuaries and the Canadian Institute of Actuaries released their "Sustainability of the Canadian Health Care System and Impact of the 2014 Revision to the Canada Health Transfer," report, outlining the viability of our health care system over a 25-year horizon. While the report seemed to slip under the media radar, the results are nonetheless daunting. Actuarial analysis of the Canadian health care system concludes that, at current growth rates, a staggering 97 per cent of total revenues available to provinces and territories will be spent on health care expenditures by 2037, compared to 44 per cent in 2012."
HUFFINGTON POST, The Problem With Canada's Unsustainable Health System, By Natasha MacDonald-Dupuis, 12/12/2013 12:30 EST | Updated 02/11/2014. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/natas...-future-of-canadian-healthcare_b_4429892.html

 

actually, what has been documented is the fact that single payer is demonstrably superior to our for profit system. They provide better care for a fraction of what we pay. Life expectancy is greater in countries with single payer, as well as low infant mortality rates. All the data confirms this

 

Rejecting single payer is not an endorsement of the status quo. Single payer guys are the "status quo guys" in much of the world, and it is a terrible system.