Donald Trump 'orders immediate and full withdrawal of US troops from Syria'

The stable genius in action. pathetically politically ignorant kneejerk diplomacy.

The emperor has no clothes. And the trump crowd raves about how stylin' he is.

 

So you agree they are the JV?

 

It might have seen that way to Obama in the beginning, since those were his words. To me they are radical Islamic terrorists, and it seems even Obamas eyes were opened since he actually sent the troops to Iraq/Syria.

 

Political arrhythmia within the Trump admin.

 

Why don't you apply the same standard you have for Trump? Obama's military advisers opposed his position as well. Doesn't that make him a moron?

 

I told you I supported the decision to go back in and fight ISIS. I don't care who the president was at the time. I have not heard the military opposed it though.

 

So you agree, Obama is a moron for ignoring the military.

 

I don't know, since you have failed to explain what you are talking about. Was the military opposed to going back to fight ISIS?

 

The military was opposed to pulling out in the first place. The same as with Trump. That makes Obama a moron just like Trump.

The difference is that Trump was smart enough to change his mind prior to pulling out and creating that vacuum. Dumbo on the other hand was so arrogant that he ignored his advisers.

 

Hold no, first you repeat after Trump and vehemently argue ISIS is totally defeated and we do not need to worry about the Kurds, and we must pull out immediately, and now you're saying its smart to NOT pull out???? This is what I meant last week when I said you will agree and defend whatever Trump says even after he does a 180 on his views.

As for 2011 pullout, you'll have to provide something to back up your claims. From what I remember, it was scheduled in 2008 to take place on Dec 31, 2011 and when the time came, it was opposed by Obama, who tried to negotiate an extension, which Iraq rejected by denying US troops immunity from prosecution. At the time US had gone from being forceful occupiers to being allies, and US wanted to keep it that way. Are you saying the military wanted to stay against the Iraqis will, although at the time there was nothing going on in Iraq? I don't see how this compares to Trump making a "out of the blue" announcement of an immediate withdrawal. Having said that, you can all Obama any name you want. It does not bother me one bit.

 

Everyone knows Donalds claim to withdrawal was a hoax and a diversion now

Mattis should have stayed.. I bet Bolton is glad he is gone.

Supreme Being.. please help us

 

Trump and Blue do not belong in the same sentence

We should change it to "out of the orange"

 

Except Obama was honoring a treaty signed by his predecessor (the guy who started the war in the first place) with the iraqi government to withdraw. Something about national sovereignty and all.

But I can see how trumpettes would think that honoring agreements is moronic,

 

Nice pictures!
But how come I can read in News Week, that the Russians have moved into the vacated area?

Russian Military Enters Syria Area Left by U.S. Allies After Donald Trump's Withdrawal Announcement

The Russian military has entered an area of northern Syria once held by U.S.-backed, Kurdish-led forces who have opted to hand over control in the wake of President Donald Trump's announcement of a troop withdrawal from the conflict-ravaged country.

Footage shared Tuesday by the Russian Ministry of Defense showed Russian military police vehicles driving through the streets of the area near Manbij, a city located in the northeast of Syria's Aleppo province. Control of the city has changed hands multiple times since 2011, when rebel and jihadi uprising forces forced the Syrian government to withdraw. A mostly Kurdish force known as the Syrian Democratic Forces have been the most recent administers.
"Today we started patrolling the security zone near the city of Manbij and its surroundings," Russian military police spokesperson Yusup Mamatov said Tuesday, according to the state-run Tass Russian News Agency. "The task is to ensure safety within the zone of responsibility, to control the positions and movement of armed groups."

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-enter-syria-area-us-allies-left-trump-withdrawl-1284423

 

As a conservative I'm predisposed in favor of military action -any reduction or withdrawal of military force is detrimental, no matter where or when. Yet once the need has diminished or vanished, it makes sense to reduce or withdraw military forces -this saves money and enables deployments elsewhere.

The situation in Syria is more stable now than when Obama deployed forces there. This stabilization is detrimental to US interests in the region since it buttresses Assad and those supporting him, but stabilization in Syria is also adverse to ISIS diminishing the need for US forces to fight them.

ISIS is not a conventional military force and its strength as well as deployment are unclear, any extremist jihadi attacking tourists in an EU capital inspired by ISIS is evidence the entity still exists and can cause harm, but their 'caliphate' is long gone, we're not seeing their dramatic video executions anymore, they're not smuggling millions of dollars in oil to Turkey in vast convoys. An accurate estimation of their presence and influence in Syria is very difficult, I suppose they influence some of the multiple insurgent groups there, probably can interact with like-mindeds in Iraq and Afghanistan, but ISIS now has been substantially diminished and not a suitable target for conventional US military force. I expect ISIS can be better dealt with with improved intelligence and drones.

 

I didn't know the Russians moved in, but it's probably to stop Turkey from entering Syria since as far as I know the Kurd forces haven't left. It would also stop the deep state from using Turkey as an excuse to keep the American troops there. The Russians had also entered Ghouta rather than allow the Syrian forces to enter, and its also Russian Chechnyans that are used as guards in the deconfliction zones as well at the Golans Heights.

They're trusted as a neutral state, and they are powerful as well. It's a prestige we used to have - but not anymore.

 

So, the Russians are controlling Ghouta as well as Northern Aleppo. Nobody would dare attacking a neutral Russia in this conflict!
This situation must be a little upsetting to the Israelis, who have the greatest desire to see Syria chopped to pieces. So is the Deep State... their furs are swimming down the Euphrates! This is probably why they are revving up NATO on Russia's borders.

P.S.
Just came upon this article...
Syrian Army Rolls Into Kurdish-Held Manbij to Keep Erdogan's Invasion at Bay
As US-backed Syrian Kurdish YPG militias begin withdrawing from Syria's Manbij, the Syrian Army has moved in, in a signal it will be taking over and will not allow an expanded Turkish military invasion and occupation of northern Syria Erdogan has been threatening.
More here:
https://russia-insider.com/en/syria...eld-manbij-keep-erdogans-invasion-bay/ri25792
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I feel happy for the Syrians and hope very much they get to keep their country.

 

Someone else is already gearing up....
Mattis is out, and Blackwater is back: ‘We are coming’

Blackwater USA took out a full page ad in the January/February 2019 issue of "Recoil" magazine with the company's logo and a message: "We are coming."

Is the war in Afghanistan — and possibly elsewhere ― about to be privatized?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-is-out-and-blackwater-is-back-we-are-coming/

 

You mean like the agreement with Gaddafi?

 

While I agree that Bush was infinitely more intelligent than Obama. One would think that a POTUS would access the current situation, listen to his advisors and not blindly jump into the toilet. The situation in a war zone might change in 4 years, don't you think? However his JV comment about ISIS shows that he was in well over his head and clueless.

 

Here's my version of events. Washington wanted the Israeli friendly Kurds to establish their own nation in the oil and gas rich area east of the Euphrates. The plans were for it to eventually unite with Kurdistan in Iraq and create a greater Kurdistan. So even though the Kurds were fighting the Turkish supported ISIS, they couldn't wipe them out completely or the US wouldn't have had an excuse to be there.

Erdogan messed up the plans, and is insisting the Kurds leave the east of the Euphrates. Supposedly it's for Turkey's security concerns, but from what Turkish officials have said, everything from Kirkuq to Thessaloniki Greece belongs to Turkey.

This put Washington in a spot since it doesn't want to go to war with Turkey and destroy Nato, and it might be why Trump said he's pulling out the troops. This leaves the Kurds with no choice but to rejoin Syria as an autonomous Republic.

This is all fine and dandy on paper, but what land do the Kurds want for their Republic? If it's the small part of Syria they always lived on, then there isn't any problem, But if it's the oil and gas rich lands east of the Euphrates, then there is a problem. Not only does Assad need the resources to rebuild his country, but the Arabs living on the lands resent the Kurds and are now militarized.

 

Really? Wasn't Bush derided for his literal idiocy? How could Bush (who famously corrected a child's spelling of potato as "p-o-t-a-t-o-e") be "infinitely more intelligent than Obama"? Did you know the Aztec called the tuber "patatl"? (chocolate was "xocolatl", tomato "tomatl" peanut "cacahuatl", chewing gym "xichtl" and avocado "guacamatl").

Then we should ask ourselves, what do we think is the quality of intelligence Trump receives from the intelligence community he assiduously derides?

 

Could that be why he listened and tried to negotiate an extension, which Iraq denied by refusing to grand immunity from prosecution for US troops? I asked before, and did not get an answer: did the military still want to stay against Iraqs wishes after they rejected the extension?

Either way, the perpetual "BUT OBAMA" posts are only a deflection from the topic.

 

Who was it that stated we have 57 states?