Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now

That's $7,248,800 just for a bed per day. That's not counting health care or legal fees. $7,248,800 X 365 = $2,645,812,000 per year. They are costing us half of what Trump's asking for a wall PER YEAR not including health care and legal fees.

 

They don't take into account anywhere the savings from the wages of the furloughed employees. Again in the past the government paid them back pay for sitting home and doing no work. Trump's not that guy and there's no law compelling him to do so.

 

I've said it before, and I'll repeat myself. There's no real crisis here. The "flood" of illegals is a lie. Illegal immigration is at its lowest point since the 1960s. That doesn't constitute a "crisis." It's just Trump being the flamboyant actor he imagines he is & playing up to his base's emotional energy. He feeds that energy with his lies. He truly IS deplorable. He promised to crate jobs, but he's effectively forcing 800,000 government employees out of work. How is a concrete wall more important that that? I can't help but conclude that Trump supporters are as stupid as Trump is. Hard to avoid that conclusion. Sad for them. And sad for America.

 

I'm not a construction person, but I'm confident those who are can find a way.

 

Clinton was willing to compromise. Trump isn't, and doesn't seem to care about the impact his intransigence is having on 800,000 federal employees who need their paycheck. Trump screams about the dangers of illegal immigrants, but Trump is making himself America's worst enemy.

 

The democrat way is to give up on the American people's security for a politics. Those like Schumer who voted for border walls before finds it conveniently political to oppose his previous stance.

 

Ah yes. Democrats care more about a delayed paycheck than deaths on the border. A winning strategy in their minds.

 

I had my property confiscated once to build a freeway. I was compensated and didn't complain for the general good. See how that works? You actually fall for the idea we can keep our Republic if we allow the worlds poor and uneducated to come on a whim? and support them through our entitlements? and once they get on the Democrat plantation we will be the Socialist Democracy the left has desired. I don't find THAT entertaining because there will be blood shed when that happens. Didn't the Founders suggest the Tree of Liberty may have to be nourished with the blood of Patriots from time to time? Isn't that what happens when they tear up our Constitution?

 

Illegal immigration is at its LOWEST point since the 1960s. Explain to me with real facts, how illegal immigration is a "crisis." Trump's facts are all lies, exposed by the records released by his own departments. Look at the damage he's doing to our federal government just to get his way. He took an oath to protect that government. Using a fake crisis to score political points with his base, is possibly illegal, and absolutely harmful to the nation he swore to protect.

 

Both Democrats and Repubs agreed on border security when amnesty was given. Amnesty was given but no border security. Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice.....not happening!

 

I think this is a good move for him personally. It's the topic that his base is fired up about and will give him plenty of oops to counter the liberals. Not that it's a shoe in, but it's his best shot of success in the next election to fight the war over illegal immigration with liberals.

 

That 1st statement is a lie. I have eyes to see.

 

And if you had complained, it wouldn't have mattered. It would have been taken from you anyway. Trump wants to go even further than that. At least doing the Constitutional way would mean that Congress would have to vote on eminent domain. Trump wants to trash the Constitution (just like he did with tariffs) and take any property he wants unilaterally.

We had open borders for most of our country's history, and some of your ancestors were likely among the "poor and uneducated" that came here at one point. If economics were the only concern, we'd still have open borders. The only strong argument for not having open borders is security, not economics.

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for the majority of entitlements, and I have yet to see any real evidence that their economic effect is a net cost. Most economists estimate they are either a net boon or neutral. The best solution would be to provide better avenues for legal immigration.

You can continue holding onto a faith that says the sky is falling all you like. I'll only believe it with evidence. We aren't headed to a civil war. That's just fringe right disaster porn.

Ask Trump.

 

. . . whether or not he's right, your eyes aren't going to tell you that. Numbers will tell you that. You are talking about anecdotes.

 

We still need a physical barrier to stop people who aren't refugees--criminals, workers who have no intention of staying, and so on. That said, I agree with you that many people sneak across who might otherwise qualify as refugees but who for one reason or another fail to present themselves as they should.

If Democrats want my support on the wall issue they should say they won't give Trump a dime until they see a comprehensive plan for the border--where we'd have a wall with other measures and what those measures would be (medieval castles had moats...), where we'd have something other than a wall and what it would be, and so on. Then I would want Democrats to add they'll engage with Trump on the plan and get something done.

Why doesn't Trump roll out his wall plan--if he has one? Would you hand over $300,000 to someone who promises to build you a "big, beautiful" house without showing you plans? Is Trump playing us?

Why isn't either side talking details? Why the hell are we in the public following the shiny objects the pols are running in our field of vision?

 

I agree. I’d like to see the government focus some real attention on the opioid crisis, something that very obviously isn’t a fake emergency, killing way more people, destroying far more lives, and causing incredibly more crime than illegal immigration.

Or at least fix our infrastructure.

Illegal immigration numbers have been dropping for years without a wall. Opioid deaths have been swelling continuous for years, yet the national emergency is at the border.

People are so easily distracted.

 

Stop propagandizing the forum, fer crissake. Just 15.9% of the federal budget is even remotely involved in the shutdown. Defense, entitlements, and interest on the growing debt--the rest of the budget--keep right on going.

Do you think people should work for free?

 

Those who start businesses usually have sufficient funds to carry them over the rough first few years without large profits. Most people never have the funds necessary to start their own business. Most of us live from payday to payday, and you're right, it's hard. Maybe impossible these days. But to simply disregard what those people have to face in their personal lives and belittle them for their situation is not only unfair, but disrespectful. Trump does it because he could always go to his father for help. Most of don't have rich fathers. Does that make them less as human beings? Does that make them less deserving of our understanding and compassion? I think not.

 

Isn't that the truth? We have people on one side or the other the wall argument and no one seems to ask what the plan for the wall is?


American voters

 

That is a complete lie. In the seventies I worked construction. ICE would pull up and a few illegal labors would head for the hills never to be seen by us again. In the 50's, Ike bused thousands back to where they came from. On Ellis Island, if you had so much as a sniffle you were not admitted into the country. Brick layers used to make a middle class wage. Illegals have depressed that one of many trades.

 

I recall the railroads took property by eminent domain. Are you sad that they did? Was that un- Constitutional? I don't think you care one whit for the Constitution. I think you want to make America the worlds caretaker regardless of what it does to our nation.

 

I haven't seen Trumpites showing compassion.

You mean compassionately taking away their health care?

 

Sounds like you paint yourself as a poor little victim. What if your mommy and daddy had trained you to save just 5 cents of every dollar you ever earned while you still lived at home? What? Didn't mommy and daddy teach you work skills? Did mommy and daddy teach you any work ethics? Did mommy and daddy teach you that you are just entitled to certain things? Did Government become your new mommy and Daddy now that you are a big person? Don't feel bad.....many are just like you. Now you have many that profess "socialism" in our government. That would be real nice for you until others decide not to pay for it.

 

Exactly and why would should have a truly effective mandatory e-verify program to make illegal workers radioactive to employers. I remember playing golf a few years ago at PGA West near Palm Springs and seeing all Latino crews building mansions along the fairways. If ICE had shown up...

 

How do you take away anothers healthcare? You can't take it away unless you GIVE it to them 1st. Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say Americans are entitled to be given Healthcare? That is a socialist idea.....not American but it sounds like you have been already indoctrinated. Saul Alinsky formulated your plan.