Citing 'security concerns' due to government shutdown, Speaker Pelosi urges delay of SOTU address

I dunno... even though Trump rallies are open to all, do you really envision a "State of the Maga" speech would draw many who weren't sheep? I'd expect that speech to go like all regular Trump rallies, with a few actual statements towards the state of the union and a lot of "Build that Wall"s and "Lock her up"s...

 

Remember when Trump used his very first Oval Office address to talk about the shutdown and the border wall. I remember that the only brains which exploded were Trump's when he realized that the speech was watched by fewer people than those who watched Pelosi/Schumer give the rebuttal and his speech did absolutely jack **** to move the meter on public support.

 

They are the ones refusing to negotiate over a paltry $3.4B in border security. It could be open in 15 minutes.

And

The poll, which CNN conducted from January 14 to January 18 has a margin of error of +/- 3.7%. When asked who is most responsible for the government shutdown, the responses were:

President Trump: 21%
Republicans in Congress: 26%
Democrats in Congress: 31%
All of them: 10%
https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/01/19/poll-whos-blame-government-shutdown-happens/

 

The house chamber.

 

That's the thing. His rallies are not open to all. They are campaign events and, as such, the security are completely within their right to remove (or prevent the entry) of individuals whose political views clearly do not align with trump.

At a government event for the public, the right to remove or prevent the entry of individuals extends only so far as to maintain safety. You can not remove someone simply because of their political views. So yes, I would imagine that a whole **** LOAD of protesters would arrive and demand entry.

 

Is your TV stuck on CNN or what?

Get out and meet some normal people.

https://borderfacts.com

Here's a wall protecting So. California. It reduced illegal crossings over 90%

 

And as Democrats' heads exploded, they would only have Pelosi to blame....

This little maneuver of hers has really blown up in her face.

 

Your premise is flawed.

Border barriers are not a waste of money.

 

They are not refusing to negotiate. They are refusing to negotiate while the government is shut down.

Open the government and then negotiate.

 

January 18....wait, today is January 17th?

Oh I see, this is a survey from January 14 to January 18...of 2018 (pro-tip: Do not use a survey from one year ago).

Jesus man. Try harder.

 

The government was "open" until +/- a month ago. Remind me how much progress was being made regarding border security and wall/fence/barrier funding?

Democrats would have kicked this can down the road until Trump was out of office ---- regardless of the cost to the country ---- just so they could pat each other on the backs about what good obstructionists they were.

 

L given the demos track record I dont think so

 

Hatch is President Pro Tempore.
Pence is President of the Senate

 

Which would raise another interesting point... Assuming the "speech in writing beforehand" is the OFFICIAL SOTU, what would happen when (not if) Trump deviates from the speech live?? Anything he adds or subtracts from the written speech wouldn't be considered an official "SOTU" statement, and knowing this guy, would likely contradict something in the official speech.

That might raise interesting issues if people take his live contradictions as part of the SOTU.... It would have to made clear that the live rendition is not the official SOTU address.

Personally, I don't care as I didn't watch him in 2018 and won't this year, no matter what form or forum it takes... Nothing in the Constitution prevents misleading statements in the SOTU....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/politics/fact-check-sotu.html

 

It has nothing to do with the First Amendment

He did, his Organizing for America held rallies.

He can do it from Mira Lago with just his golfing buddies there if he wants to.

 

It's necessary for our border security and the government doesn't have to be open for the Democrats to negotiate and I have reason to believe they will if it is opened, Pelosi has already said NO even with it open even with her getting what she wants.

 

Has it now? I have not even seen Trump's response. Now, that might be some evidence to your point because I totally would have expected a twitterstorm immediately and the fact that he has not responded (except to get the heads of Secret Service and Homeland Security to say that security is not a concern for them), is a sign that he is acting deliberately.

So how has this move blown up in her face?

 

I'd expect some terrible pics of Nancy's face in the next post if I were you... That's where they go right around this time of the thread...

 

I don't know how many times I have to tell you this, but the First Amendment is involved every time the Government holds an event for the public. They are required, under the First Amendment, to permit individuals who do not pose a safety threat. They are not allowed to disallow individuals solely because of race, sex, or political orientation.

Yes, rallies are campaign events. Political events, like the State of the Union, are NOT campaign events.

And how do you imagine giving a speech to his golfing buddies satisfies the Constitutional requirement of delivering the State of the Union "to Congress."

 

Nothing.
The written speech is the official version, and no president has ever given a SOTU speech that matches the written speech verbatim.

 

Here is what she said this year a day ago.


Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen: We can protect State of the Union address by Trump despite Pelosi claim

• Kirstjen Nielsen, the secretary of the U.S. Homeland Security Department, pushed back on a suggestion by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that President Donald Trump reschedule his State of the Union address to Congress.
• Nielsen said that her department and the U.S. Secret Service “are fully prepared to support and secure the State of the Union” as scheduled Jan. 29.
• Pelosi had said Trump should reschedule because of security concerns related to the ongoing government shutdown.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/homeland-security-ready-to-protect-trumps-state-of-the-union-.html


So what is the alleged problem that the leftness keeps making up?

 

At a McDonalds too.

 

No he can't concede, due to his 2020 Run which will be an election on National Security. Plus he doesn't want to break a campaign promise he ran on which got him elected.

 

You have a link on that? Not saying you are wrong, but I don't know.

I would think if a speech is chosen to be given, that the transcript of the speech becomes the official SOTU, not the written version...

 

Losing no benefits and getting their backpay.....doesn't mean they accept the label by the left of calling them victims or hostages.