Is the Right aware of how illegal immigrants benefit this country?

I suppose that it just didn't occur to you that those who work, and pay taxes are using illegally obtained identities. How else would they be able to work? The liberal media are all a twitter about illegals working at Trump National. During the interview with NBC, the illegals admitted to having used forged documents, SS cards, green cards, etc to get work. So, essentially, NBC documented confessions of 8 or so adult illegal immigrants on national TV and the story wasn't soon they will be going back, but somehow Trump org committed a crime by employing these folks. (evidently, NBC forgot to notice that currently, there isn't a method for private corps other than eVerify (federal program) to verify the IDs folks present to them. So, failure of government for all to see becomes a beat up trump narrative instead.

Democrats want illegals. They need a permanent underclass of folks they can bully, abuse, all to make sure that there are enough folks to change the sheets, cook the food, and mow the lawn to make the plantation run....

 

More people die in a weekend of gang shootings in Chicago, compared to white supremacists in a year or 2 or 5. If you want to expand to the whole U.S, the KKK is about as effective at terrorism as a mouse, compared to what black and Hispanic gangs are doing. But the MSM sure does an EXCELLENT job at trying to convince everyone that white conservative males are the ones we should be afraid of. You might want to look at some REAL numbers and get a handle on who the REAL danger is here. Or does your definition of terrorism not include certain demographics? Hey its not PC, but you're barking up the room tree.

And I'm not defending any of them. They're scum. ALL OF THEM!!

 

They'd benefit the United States, and themselves as well as their children, so much more if they were here legally.

 

That response is sad and pathetic. You are missing the point. Those whote supremacist criminals were already here LEGALLY. We didnt have a choice in them being here. With ILLEGAL immigranta we do have a choice to not let them in which means AVOIDABLE crime. Really pathetic of you to dodge this quite important FACT!

 

You can only get those numbers by confounding legal and illegal immigration

 

At one time democrats were telling us about the benefits of slavery. How did that work out?

 

1 of three people in a TExas Jails is an illegal immigrant.

 

2017 saw a whole 16 murders by why supremacist that makes it the forth deadliest years since the record keeping began in 1970. I don't think they've killed their first thousand yet.

 

There you go again. What we are against is illegal immigration. Can you say illegal? Can you say breaking our laws?

 

Most conservatives I know are just fine with immigrants coming into this country LEGALLY.
But,
you are losing me. Are you saying it is a good thing to have a large number of illegals in this country? How many is a good thing? Is it OK they drive without insurance? Is it OK they do not have any health insurance? Is it OK that they work on President Trump's golf course? Is it OK that they are allowed to vote in some CA cities local elections?
Have you ever weighed the cost of illegals to the ecomomy with respect to crime?
In your world should we have open borders because they pay taxes assuming their employer is one of the few that actually do not pay them in cash at the end of the day thus eliminating the need for insurance and added paperwork?

And then, there is this little glitch,

"How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants"

 

You left out all the costs to government, and to individual American citizens, that illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayers and citizens. Their cost to us far outstrips their benefit.

Illegal immigration is bad, what part of not knowing or being able to control who is in our country, don't you understand?

 

Didn't read whole thread.

1. There's no such thing as an "illegal immigrant." Anyone in this country illegally is an "illegal alien," and no person in this country illegally can be correctly called an "immigrant."

2. No matter what gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex data are selectively mined, cherry-picked, massaged, lied about, distorted, it's a fact, an irrefutable fact, that illegal aliens net cost this country many tens of billions annually. They do not "contribute" any ****ing thing any more than a drug dealer "contributes" to the economy when they spend their drug money on a Lamborghini, and anyone who says they do to keep the illicit Complex-Democrat vote factory up and running is complicit in social, cultural and economic poison.

3. As already posted, in many areas of the country, my landlocked area nowhere remotely close to Mexico included, 1:5 or so school children can't even SPEAK, let alone read English. So it becomes apparent -exactly- whom illegal aliens benefit, the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex. More teachers and worthless edu bureaucrats, more social workers, more Complex hacks of every rank and description, more government generally, all the rot simply must be increased to handle the (completely avoidable) burden... and the rest of us pay and pay for it. Not fooling anyone any more. "But but some of them pay payroll taxes." Shove that crap, no one's buying it any more.

If they were at least honest, I'd respect them for that. If just one would say "I'm a school bureaucrat and if I get 1000 more kids in my district, I get a lockstep pay bump, which increases my outsized pension." But they don't, they lie and lie to our faces about all the "benefits" of social and cultural poison that the rest of us have to pay for and endure. Illegal aliens are a wrecking ball in my community in so many ways, namely that half the town (the middle class half that I grew up in) is now a slum full of bodegas and meth mouth degenerates of all races. Only took 20 years of seeding illegal aliens here in combination with the grossly dysgenic 50 year welfare state to do that. Disgusting.

Remember folks, it's -never- about the ostensible focus of all their many identity-based lie narrative advertisements towards more government, the poor, refugees, immigrants, social justice, race, gender, etc. It's all about taking from YOU, the middle and upper taxpayers of the private sector, for THEM, lazy, dishonest government workers and tributaries of the Complex. Don't be fooled.

 

Illegals cost us more than they benefit us.

They’re a net loser.

 

People speeding on the highway also greatly benefit the people. Speeders spend less time on our roads, so they more quickly get to and from where they are going, which makes them more productive. We should favor people violating the speed limit, the faster, the better.

 

Just one example. Illegals pay less in local taxes than it costs to educate their kids. An illegal immigrant with two children cost local taxpayers anywhere from $3,000 to $15,000 for each child, just to educate them in the K-12 schools. Then there is the cost to feed them school lunches, and the medical costs they incur. Now multiply this by dozens of illegal alien children in the same school, and you have to hire more teachers, build larger schools, and the buses to drive these kids to and from school.

These are only a part of the costs just to educate illegal alien children.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/cost-illegal-immigration

 

So I am to believe that someone here illegally and does not file taxes claims single zero on their W4. don't you think he is much more likely to claim married and two kids so that nothing is taken out? and that the 7 % of his wages that go to SS say the whole 2,000 a year more than pay for his kids education, his/Their visits to the emergency room, The extra crime that is associated with being poor (all poor! not just illegal aliens, but the poor commit much more crime than the average person)

never mind that most IMO are employed "under the table" where they are exposed to hazards and lower pay and employed by seedy businessman who undercut lawful businessmen who pay taxes and abide by OSHA and have workmans comp insurance.

How you can even write such drivel is beyond words. There was a time when we democrats were for the workers and the poor, we are now in favor of flooding the low wage labor market with illegals to further depress wages on behalf of wall street masters.

 

I would offer the Right is well aware of what illegals do to the country, and that is the reason for trying to address the problem.

Studies have shown the net cost to the Nation is over $100 billion per year, of which most of that burden is carried by the individual states where illegals have settled.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

As to your NBER link, they offered this caveat:

This diverse set of findings helps to provide a foundation upon which an eventual assessment of the various regularization proposals can be based. It is important to acknowledge at the outset, however, that the robustness of the evidence depends on the validity of the procedure used to impute undocumented status at the micro level. As a result, the type of empirical analysis that is currently possible to document the economic status of undocumented workers is inevitably subject to various types of unknowable and non-classical measurement errors.​

 

They mostly claim as dependents, all their children who are still in Mexico, for example, and get back more from their tax return, than they paid in taxes.

 

The argument for slavery and illegal immigrants is virtually identical. The cheap food and labor argument could have been used, and probably was used, by some southern senator in the 1850’s justifying slavery. “Ahh say suh…(yes I’m imagining him as Foghorn Leghorn) the institution of slavery is needed to provide cheap and plentiful food and clothing for all, as well as mammies to raise ouah babies so we can pursue self actualizing careers…”

 

Extreme right hate for immigrants? This seems to be a bell that the left rings whenever they can, like calling everyone racists.

Immigration is good for our economy. That is why we let in about a million a year.

Illegal Migration is costing our country more than 85 billion a year in services.

 

Democrats make an entire thread trying just justify people breaking our laws.

They say we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do for slave wages. Then they lie and say illegal aliens are all just poor brown people who come here to slave away for us and if you don't want illegal immigrants here you hate brown people.

They say walls don't work and are immoral but where are the Democrats calling for the walls to be torn down? They obviously help a little.

They also believe nobody crosses the border illegally in the deserts, especially bad guys. They all just come through the front door.

 

We don't know how many illegals are in the country because they sneak in. We don't know how many are criminals because they sneak in. They get in and they hide or use fake documents. Therefore we can't know how many pay social security or income taxes. To quote figures on the above is ignorance. We do know how many illegal aliens are in our federal prisons, about 40% of the prison population.

 

Yeah.... Because the reason the extreme right wants to build a wall is to keep them from being exploited.

 

I have said nothing of the sort. Now let's see you answer my question.

 

So, why is this mentioned on the thread about illegal immigrants and not in the ones about white supremacist terrorism? Sorry about your friends, but my question is, how is it relevant to this thread?

I see. So you believe that if a parent commits a crime, their children are also criminals....

See the study in the OP. Undocumented workers do not displace others.

See NB