Is the Right aware of how illegal immigrants benefit this country?

That's true. We don't want people exploiting people.

We want employers to have to be subject to the laws of our country. Not hire people under-the-table to avoid them.

 

I'll just repeat what I said on the other thread.

A typical undocumented immigrant is about as "educated" as a typical white supremacist. The difference is that most immigrants appreciate the value of education. So, given the opportunity, they will learn. White Supremacists hate education so they are doomed to be Trump supporters forever.

 

WUT???

Who did?

Why didn't you indicate that you were quoting someone else?

 

Is that how you justify illegal immigration?

Illegal immigrants like education but white supremacists don't so that makes illegal immigration OK?

All like 3000 white supremacist?

That is a pretty broad brush you paint with. Them ms13 guys love going to school.

 

Presuming that all you say is correct, wouldn’t it be better to figure out immigration laws that would let such people work legally?

 

BTW, That conclusion is not based on the data in the study. The study states that the number you quote is not considering economic gains when they .

This is a quote from the study that YOU brought up.

Immigrant labor accounts for 16.5 percent of the total number of hours worked in the United States, which . . . implies that the current stock of immigrants lowered wages by 5.2 percent and generated an immigration surplus of $54.2 billion, representing a 0.31 percent overall increase in income that accrues to the native population.
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Will the extreme right ever learn that quoting Trump is a sure way to get it wrong?

 

Imo that is a totally fair point
If our economy does to some extent rely on these people... which it might... maybe we should look at the valid roles that they fill, and come up with immigration laws that allow the: to come legally as necessary

 

I'm cool with people coming here legally . It's the people who sneak in-and-out that worry me.

 

Read the OP. They don't receive a penny in refunds.

Wrong!
http://oxfordre.com/criminology/vie...90264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175
http://journal1.tplondon.com/journal/index.php/ml/article/view/942

And just in case you're thinking of using one of those pre-package canned "left wing-biased institutions'... here are a couple from the Koch Brother's own Cato Institute.

https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridden-narrative-immigrants-crime
https://www.cato.org/blog/uscis-report-shows-daca-arrest-rate-below-other-us-residents

By now you should have learned that countering scientific studies with hot air you heard from Rush and Hannity, will only make you look st... Well... not very bright.

 

Is it worth it to make the effort? You won't believe anything unless it comes from the mouth of Trump anyway.

https://www.splcenter.org/20180723/terror-right

 

Go point, will we be seeing Nancy Pelosi sending bills to the Senate to remove fencing from the southern border? If border fences are an immorality, tear them all down.

 

They pay taxes using fake or stolen ID and then don't get a refund and you cheer that they are being exploited. Classy...

 

It did occur to me, but I found no relevance (of this, and many other considerations regarding undocumented workers) to this thread. Do oranges picked by somebody with a real ID taste better than those picked by somebody with a fake one?

"Somehow"? Some were never asked until somebody figured out that it might come back and bite Trump's xenophobic policies in the ass.. At least one of them received help from the Trump organization to obtain fake documents. Which is probably the most humane thing related to Trump that anybody has ever done.

In any case, that is irrelevant to this thread.

 

Tell the poster I'm responding to how more people die in Chicago than people who are friend's of his. Let's see how he responds to your idiotic strawman.

 

"Do oranges picked by somebody with a real ID taste better than those picked by somebody with a fake one?"

Dude! That is cold-hearted.

 

How on earth anyone with a modicum of intelligence can claim that illegal immigrants benefit the country is beyond me.They don"t pay any taxes, they lower the wages,they usually engage in crime -being illegal is crime itself, they abuse national health system etc...The only people who could possibly say anything positive are democrats simply because millions of illegals vote for them.California-the lawless state.

 

Then there must be a problem in the law that allows a group who kill more people to be "legal" than a group who commits less crimes.

We do have a choice. We can let them in legally. That's what Democrats are trying to do.

And, in reference to the white supremacists, you are wrong. We do have a choice. Instead of wasting all this money in trying to get rid of hard working people, many of which are here through no fault of their own, we could choose to use that money educating the population, showing them all the benefits that immigrants bring to the country, and curing the lack of education that leads to racism and xenophobia.

We have many choices.

 

The links are there. Educate yourself.

 

I love how the political hacks all have their own facts that disagree with one another.

 

"Breaking the law"? You mean like parking a SUV in a space designated for a compact car? Would you support a $5 billion expenditure on something that is unlikely to solve parking in the wrong space?

Disingenuous or naive?

 

I have no idea. Once it's clear in everybody's mind that, so far, undocumented workers have benefited us, we can establish the optimal number.

No, no, yes and yes.

Have I?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...it-this-country.549973/page-3#post-1070161812

For the thousandth time: read my signature (NB)! If you did you would have no need to ask this question.... ever....

 

You missed this,


How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citize

 

Yeah that doesn't total up anywhere near 1000 homicides.

Let's look at some of the "far right" people it lists, shall we?

Travis Reinking - No political affiliation

Jeremy Joseph Christian - A Bernie supporter

The Bundy's - How'd that work out in court?

Micah Xavier Johnson - Yeah he's a far right white supremacist alright

Gavin Eugene Long- Oh look, another far right white supremacist

Yeah great list of far right terrorists you have there.

 

Yes, they do.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/...iled-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refunds

Anyone using a fraudulent ITIN or SSN is getting tax refunds. More so due to child tax credits.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/11/tax...billion-and-theres-little-the-irs-can-do.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/22/14-million-illegals-working-stolen-social-security/

Sorry, but the evidence is overwhelming, and comes directly from the IRS.

 

"Left out"? Uhm... do you know what GDP is? GDP includes benefits and costs to the economy.