Trump Jr. to young conservatives: Don't get indoctrinated by these loser teachers pushing socialism

When have i ever stated different?

 

Yes but i give you credit for your continued attempts.

 

Not one of you on the right even remotely sees the ultimate irony in Jr’s statement,

DTJ : “Socialism is bad because you cant use other peoplesmoney, you should earn your own money”

Irony: “Hello Don Jr”
Don Jr: “Huh”

 

Your fallacious logic, not mine.

 

You should prolly quote the actual author of this

 

Hahahaha - Or any one of the other innumerable socialist excuses/canards:

"They didn't know what socialism is!"

"The wrong people were implementing it!"

 

Thanks - I thought that was what you were suggesting. I'm okay with it, too, but I think parents should be able to voucher out if their public schools are underperforming. It's not important to me where kids are getting their K-12 education - all I care is that they get that education.

Generally speaking, I think we can draw the line between what is and isn't a socialist offering by whether or not the taxpayer is receiving a service or product/good from their taxes. When I pay taxes for national defense, emergency services, roads, etc., I do so willingly because I may not be able to provide those services to myself on my own so I gladly pay someone else to provide them to/for me. That's not socialism. On the other hand, when I pay taxes to provide someone else with a service or product, usually in the form of some sort of subsistence assistance (loosely translated, welfare) - food, housing, health care, etc. - that is socialism. Of course, I'm speaking generally - sometimes the line is blurred between the two, and public education is one of those things - you could argue it both ways, which means you, me and ocean515 can all be right about whether PE qualifies as socialism or not. A lot of it depends on whether you have kids attending public school or not, too.

 

When someone sees their tax dollars at work - in their own lives - I think its a good thing. And while I may not have children, to have them educated on my tax dollar is just fine with me...I will see it at work in my lifetime with educated children becoming functioning and contributing adults in the community. I feel the same way about healthcare - I would see my tax dollars at work in my life. And ensuring that all those around me are healthier because of it, another personal win for everyone. As for welfare and other social safety nets, I believe a country is stronger when we KNOW those nets are there for us, should we ever fall on rough times. The trick is to ensure that people are not living on it unnecessarily. It is a net - not somewhere to live.

 

I’m glad you agree, everyone likes some socialism....we’re just arguing about how much

 

Just smart enough not to become public school teachers.

 

Inject their socialistic views into their classrooms.

 

It is supposed to teach them facts and factual history as in how socialism fails and brings misery to the masses.

 

Generally, when one sees something they don't like, they work to change it. Otherwise, they are simply whining and throwing stones.

 

And educators ought to know what socialism is and is not. Plus they are probably intelligent enough to teach critical thinking skills.

 

So you also denigrate teachers and education. How Trump.

 

You have a pretty poor attitude toward people with emotional/psychological problems, different lifestyles than you, and against your invented "bad parents" unless you can back up what you say with data. But we know you can't.

 

We've been through this before but you seem averse to learning... you have never seen socialism fail because you have never seen a country that operates as "the dictatorship of the proletariat" with workers in control.

 

Fine post.

That's an excellent argument you make for education and I wholeheartedly agree with it. As for healthcare and welfare my views are a bit more complicated. I'm fine with Medicare and to a reasonable extent I'm okay with Medicaid, but that's it. The failures at the VA HC should serve as a stern warning about making the mistake of nationalizing our entire HI and HC systems. As for welfare, again I agree with your sentiments - our social safety nets aren't hammocks, nor were they ever intended to serve as such. The problem, however, is that we've allowed those safety nets to become hammocks because the policies and requirements have been far too permissive from the beginning. Senator Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat, saw this in 1965 when he warned about the dangers of government welfare policies marginalizing fathers, but his colleagues ignored his warnings and today we're grappling with the social crisis he predicted on our hands:

From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable.

There are ways to fix that problem - we got ourselves into that mess and we can get ourselves back out - but it's never going to get fixed in Washington, so we have a situation where we've sent countless people down a road to Hell paved with our good intentions. Good for us, eh?

Blind and unchecked "altruism" is one of the inherent problems with socialism. In the real world, good ideas and good intentions aren't enough and they do not compensate for the lives and countries they've destroyed. I'm not saying you're one of these people, but the people who are in thrall to utopian fantasies, ideals, theories and programs don't get that, which is why they keep ignoring and repeating the mistakes others made before them. What's going on in Venezuela today should have never happened, and we should know better than to let it happen here.

 

Even though it's failed to ever produce and support true Liberty and Freedom and resulting in tragedy and hundreds of millions of deaths, they are always sure that is only the Sophomore Class as Santa Cruz State could implement it, why, it'd be utopia!

Utopians are dangerous and generally turn out to be murderers.

 

Where has it succeeded?

 

Socialism is based on coercion and incompatible with our American freedoms. Our government's concern is to guarantee equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes, which hasn't ever and won't ever happen. Everyone talks about the income inequality, what about the work inequality?

 

If it hasn't yet occurred, asking where it failed or succeeded is like asking you if you've stopped beating your wife.

 

Private delivery is NOTHING like the VA. In the VA system the government owns the facilities and employs doctors and staff. Its poorly run and the most expensive healthcare.

 

How do you conclude and confirm that if socialism has never been established anywhere yet?

What does that have to do with socialism?

What about it? What's the issue in your mind?

 

Yes, and it is due to partisan wrangling and sabotage.