Medicare-for-all' means long waits for poor care, and Americans won't go for it once they learn thes

I will definitely have to think next time if it’s worth wasting my time with someone like you who can’t follow a conversation.

 

Except that everyone knows vegetables are more nutritional than fried foods. That fruits are more nutritional than fast food. That water is healthier than soda. That baked chicken is healthier than hamburgers and pizza. We all learn about the food groups in grade school.

 

To answer your question. You couldn't. So next time think before you ask stupid questions and you can avoid all of this.

 

You were the one making idiotic remarks. I told you it wasn't the point I was making but you doubled down on it. Next time think.

 

Look around. Obese people are victims of the fast food industry. HFCS dominate the food market. High sugar diets and drinks are as contagious as cigarettes were and are. Even salt crystals have been modified to produce an instant high when limited in content. The cigarette industry used arsnic enhanced nicotine, the Fast food industry uses HFCs and the like. Fresh fruits and veggies taste like sand after eating these foods and are much more expense and time consuming to prepare. Kid’s diet are the new victims of society and 50% of our healthcare costs go to preventable diabetes related diseases. It’s an American dilemma. People didn’t just get stupid. They got hooked.

 

Okay, now tell me how a person making min wage....or not much more ...is going to be able to afford transportation to work, rent, food, utilities , and health insurance. Not to mention an education to better themselves. When you dont have enough money you need priorities. And about the big tv. A good tax return will buy a big tv but it won't last long buying health insurance . A person would probably run out of money buying insurance before using it and a new tv will last a long time. Did you ever consider your lack of service is because people won't hire because of the expense of paying employees ?

 

No. Obese people are victims of over-eating and not exercising. Greed and laziness are why people are obese.
Are people forced to smoke cigarettes or do they do that by their OWN choice?
Are people forced to eat fast food or do they do that by their OWN choice?
And no, fruits and veggies do not taste like sand after eating these foods. Anyone who says that is making that up as an excuse for why they are obese.
Kids are obese because of their parents choices. It’s the parents fault that they allow their kids to eat poorly and not exercise. But why on earth would we expect lazy adults to instill good habits with their kids.

 

Because I never made the claim in the first place. Do you often ask people to defend things they never said?

 

But you made the claim. And then to avoid having to defend it you brought me down a rabbit hole by moving the goal post. Kudos for creating a distraction. Have to give you points for that.

 

I suppose you take the side of cigarette companies too.
Take a look at your president. He’s digging his grave with a fork .
S o Trump is greedy and lazy. I’ll buy that.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-food-addiction-works

Do a little reaserch on HFCs and food additives. That may be too much to ask.

 

You can continue to blame HFCs and food additives all you like but it still comes down to the choices people are making. It’s not the fault of food additives when I see obese people are restaurants eating and finishing appetizers, then finishing entire meal, then finishing entire dessert. It’s not Food additives fault when people choose to eat a McDonalds and super size their meal.
How is it my wife and I and our kids eat processed foods like ice cream, cookies, chips, candy, etc but none of us are obese? The reason is MODERATION and exercising. Another word for it is DISCIPLINE.
How is it none of my friends kids, who eat processed food and fast food aren’t obese? I’ll tell you why....all of them play sports. They are active. It’s no secret if you burn more calories than you take in you won’t be fat. That is science.

 

No, that’s calories in, calories out. As long as they burn them, they’re not obese. Just wait I’ll they stop.
Btw, “ none that aren’t obese” means they are obese. So I’m assuming you meant the opposite ?
Junk foods are nutrient deficient. That leads to diabetes and other related diseases later in life.
I can’t tell if you’re now arguing in favor of fast foods, or think all your friends aren’t doing their job as a parent....
Before you declare something science, more research is needed.
There is no good science that says fast foods are not harmful over time...NONE.

 

Yes that was a typo. None are obese. My friends are doing their job as parents by teaching their kids about moderation and getting them interested in being active versus allowing them to play video games all day.
Well of course anyone who stops being active will gain weight if they don’t cut back on what they eat. That is true today just as it was true 100 years ago. You don’t think there were obese people back then? Yes there were far fewer obese people back then because people were far more active in the past. People walked up a flight of stairs instead of taking an elevator or escalators. Many people still had gardens they tended, some still hunted for food. They walked more than they drove, etc.
Junk food will only lead to diabetes if one does not eat said junk food in moderation and if they aren’t active. A sedentary lifestyle and over-eating is why more and more people are obese. It’s easier to sit ones fat a$$ on the couch and eat a bag of chips than it is to lift weights or ride a bike or go for a swim or even go for a daily walk to get outside and enjoy the fresh air.
Obese people only have themselves to play for being obese.

 

Official position of nutritionists is:
“Fast food is almost universally dangerous and should probably carry a warning from the surgeon general. It contains meat-based carcinogens, is high in total calories and saturated fat and is a principal source of trans fat.”

Obesity attributed to fast foods is the single biggest health hazard by cost in the United States

 

Again...eating fast food is a CHOICE. Adults are not being forced to eat fast food. Adults are not being forced to feed their kids fast food. I ate fast food in high school and college...then I grew up and acted like an adult eating healthier food.

 

That’s irrelevant. The facts are, obesity IS the single biggest healthcare cost for YOU and Me, even if we make the right choices. We still pay for it by increased premiums. We can sit in the bleacher seats and complain about others making the wrong choices while it drives up our costs till the cows come home. Or, we can do what we did with cigarettes and other products made unhealthy by corporate greed. Corporations should not be in the business of providing poisons and then falsely labeling it as healthy foods.

 

You are making the assumption that the person is not employed? A couple of points..... you do realize that that of wage earners in the US, only 2.3% make FMW. It's a starting block, not intended for living on.

The PPACA set rules as to what percentage of a wage earners income could be deducted for health insurance sponsored by the employer. I believe it is currently 9.5%. Those electing to go to the exchanges for their coverage, have subsidies available to them.

 

So you prefer that the government tells you what you can eat. Shall we expand that to include other activities? After all, dangerous activities can end up costing people large amounts of money if someone gets hurt. Now cut snowboarding, roller skating, skydiving, bungee jumping, zip lines, motorcycle riding, driving, walking, breathing...…
Protecting people from themselves can end up with unintended consequences. Education on nutrition who serve the purpose better.

 

Not really. ...just pointing out that poor folks could use help. If not, they will get care....when it gets expensive. ...rather than preventing catastrophic illness with healthcare. And receiving emergency care is expensive that most can't afford. So they file bankruptcy and the insured pay for it anyway. People not paying is part of the problem of rising Healthcare cost. So. ..pay now or pay later.

 

Nope...make the right choices and you will not be obese. You want to put the blame on the corporations instead of where the blame belongs, which is the people who CHOOSE to smoke and CHOOSE to eat McDonalds. We all know the hamburgers, fried chicken and french fries at McDonalds are unhealthy. That is no secret. Just as people know smoking is bad YET people still choose to smoke. Sorry, but they only have themselves to blame for their choices.

 

Those that cannot pay, are covered for ER, if that is what is needed. https://www.cms.gov/regulations-and-guidance/legislation/emtala/ Those that can afford a little bit, can negotiate payments with most hospitals.

I would rather pay when they have actually received the service, such as the ER, then for a front loaded payment mechanism called 'insurance' which does NOT provide actual care. Sliding scale clinics are best for non-emergency care, but we have too few. I would also rather see money go towards creating more of those, than paying for 'insurance'.

 

Sorry. That’s wrong. For generations, the long term ill effects of smoking was unknown to those who just weren’t doing the scientific reading. That seems to include many posters here.

Just, “eat your fruits and veggies” is not a solution for those hooked on Fast foods . You don’t seem to care about the rest of us paying for it. I do.

 

Right, except for other generations we HAVE known about the ill effects of smoking yet people still smoke. I’m talking, at the very least, my age (52) and younger generations who know but still choose to smoke.
Oh please...no one is “hooked” on fast food. People eat fast food because they are lazy.

 

1) you're not forced to purchase junk food at gunpoint. they can do what they like to TRY to get you to keep buying their product, but only you hold the power in that battle.

2) it doesn't take 'more than information', it takes less. it takes simple self-discipline - which is accessible to everyone, no matter how little we know about kale smoothies. and it costs less to prepare nutritious foods. there is no possible way that rice, lentils, beans, and fresh in season vegetables (any fruit or vegetable in season will be cheap) costs anywhere near as much as meat, cheese, and processed foods.

3) eating well requires only self-discipline.

4) kids also don't do the shopping and the cooking. they eat what they're given.