Medicare-for-all' means long waits for poor care, and Americans won't go for it once they learn thes

What’s your point ? Just trolling ? I never referred to earlier studies. It takes a generation to wean people off habit forming drugs. Smarter people read and made the decision for themselves.
Like wise, The PHS concluded more then a casual relation ship yet still, non smokers were forced to work and eat next to smokers for decades. While you tout individual responsibility, you seem to disregard the rights of others to live in a smoke free environment. I don’t care what others do to their bodies out of ignorance.....until it affects the health of my family.

 

My point was you were suggesting this:

I posted the American Cancer Society information to indicate the information was widely available, available in ways other than through "scientific reading" In fact if you remember it was in the mid 1960's that the health warnings started to appear on packs of cigarettes and in the early 1970's that TV and radio commercials advertising cigarettes were banned. It didn't require much reading other than the side of a pack of smokes.

It's all good. Keep trolling.

Rich

 

I know three Trump supporters. Two are not white, and the third (white) is gay. All three are educated, intelligent, progressive, and liberal. I don't agree with them on Trump but I respect their choice - because I know they would have had good reasons for making that choice.

I don't have to agree with you to respect you, I just have to know that you're not an idiot. That tells me that the choices you make will have been made on a sound foundation of considered thought.

 

Of course I know about the dangerous chemicals added to commercially produced cigarettes. Just as I know that keeping a lion as a house pet is a bad idea.

Are we really having this conversation?

 

Your quote...
“100%. More power to them to be able to keep turning a dollar long after we learned that smoking kills.”

Sure, why not support cigarette companies that kill innocent by standers, not just those who smoke them. People just trying to live their lives and are forced for decades to endure smoke. Nothing has changed. We’re forced to live with AGW and pollution in water supplies just so we can say...”more power to them.”

 

Here in CA, you hardly find anybody smoking. But it never stopped Democrats from crying the blues all the time. I am a former smoker. A smoker is very reluctant to turn away his freedom merely due to you being annoyed. Smoke bothers me today. I have no cancer. Still the fact one is not smoking to damage others but to please himself causes me to back up the smoker and not those who can step aside a couple of paces and not smell smoke at all. I do it all the time. I walk away.

 

Making correct choices is not hard politically. And, it doesn’t take a genius. I don’t vote for people, I vote for ideas. The best ideas are not necessarily mine or only individual in particular either. It’s about trusting our most valued institutions dedicated to research in any given area.

 

Some of those things called dangerous come with the plant due to being raised in the Earth, not because they were added.Studies show that the nicotine is addictive, that is not what is hurting you. But the other trace items are so tiny that you would have to smoke far more cigarettes than you can afford to get harmed. Of course claims one can get cancer from smoking them is proven to be true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/sci_tech/features/health/tobaccotrial/inacigarette.htm

 

Times have changed and non smoker rights have prevailed. It just cost way too many lives to reach this point. It’s good you can turn away now. Why shouldn’t anyone whine about losing * their fresh air, whether it be cigarettes or air pollution. What else can you be more detrimental to your health then losing the air you breath ?

 

Nicotine is a habit forming drug. It may not cause the cancer, but that’s not the point. It’s like HFCs in food. Btw, there are no safe levels and of some additives.

 

Democrats ideas do not match what our grandfathers faced in 1920. When my grandfather was born, he was raised to accept that the income tax was not legal. Many things done now were simply not legal to do. So should we change because he was forced to change or do what we know is correct? My son commented to me this evening that he sees all laws as a revenue raising venture. That you can name any law passed and back of them see how they raise cash for the elites of Washington DC. I was thinking it over for a short time and agree with him. He is smart and 59 years old.

 

I know all the arguments. When I smoked, it was hell on earth to have to listen to the whiners whine at me. And believe me, they did whine. I admit when in the presence today of cigarette smoke, it gags me. But i appreciate the rights of smokers.

California has worked hard to both put Democrats totally in charge of this state, but to slash and burn the rights of others to the ground. They use the scorched earth policy.

 

Gosh, we must be infants the way Democrats keep passing laws. Ca might be your best state if you love so many rules to obey, all done by them as i keep noting.

 

Need to work on how you use the quote button.

 

Tell us which rules you don’t like and we need to do away with.

How about this one..
“The California Indoor Clean Air Act of 1976 declares tobacco smoke as a health hazard for the general public.[ii] Section 118910 of the California Health and Safety Code “

 

What rights do smokers have that we have to preserve in public places ?

 

Just as non-smokers have the right to not be subjected to the stupidity of smokers. Just because smokers are dumb enough to smoke doesn’t mean the rest of us have to put up with the second hand smoke or have to deal with the disgusting smell that envelops them.

 

Sounds like you’re pretty conflicted. Hilarious...

 

Smoking has been banned from almost all public places - indoor and out - for many years (in my country). It's a non issue in 2019.

 

I could be wrong but I think we still have some backwards states that still allow smoking in public places like restaurants and bars.

 

OMG ... seriously?

We haven't been able to smoke indoors for decades, here. Not anywhere. It's even illegal in your own car, if you're carrying children.

 

It’s pollution. It was denied by the majority of same people who deny AGW, the ultra conservative Republicans. Most were just as proud of their ignorance and science denial then, as they are now...

 

agree, that should be up to the business, if one does not want to be around cigarette smoke at a bar\restaurant, go to a business that bans smoking

we had two malls here, one decided to ban smoking before the law went into effect years later, that mall became a ghost town, it's still that way, no one ever went back, non-smokers wanted to be around smokers it seems

 

You sure there that location didn’t make the difference ? Maybe they didn’t have a Radio Shack.