Do people on the Right want the "less fortunate" to suffer and/or die?

Yes, which is precisely why ANYONE who believes in a welfare state should be contributing to it with their lifetime of labor. You cannot claim that you support it, then not actually support it.

 

3/3/3. The average person can live 3 minutes without oxygen, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food. While losing any kind of price supports might make brussels sprouts go extinct (which would be wonderful), food itself is not going away. Every tobacco user could quit tomorrow. It's not going to happen, but it hypothetically could. Humanity would not go extinct. Just the tobacco companies.

Both what? And what long term disability?. To be clear, in case I'm getting my acronyms wrong, I filed for Social Security Disability and was initially denied. I intend to refile buy my father has since died and dealing with his estate is a higher priority. I am unaware of any governmental long term disability programs, only that which was offered as optional by prior employers throughout my life. Though to learn there's yet another government program I've never heard of would not surprise me in the least.

 

Neither do I, but make no mistake we are already paying for others healthcare. If you're on an insurance plan with others you are helping to subsidize the sicker people on your plan. We also pay more through insurance premiums to help cover the "free care" costs hospital incur due to patients who are unable to pay for emergent services. We pay for this through UCP, also known as HSN.

 

But the private sector runs the business efficiently. Government will overcharge and underdeliver. It always does.

 

I, for one, am good with how things are working. Good with it because I have health coverage that works for me and my family. I don't really care that I am already paying for others as that is budgeted in to my life. If the Government gets involved with this single payer idea it is most likely to adversely effect my family. Either through higher taxes than I already pay or by screwing up my private insurance. Leave me alone. If America needs to help 40 million without insurance then lets do what we can to help them. It should not take Medicare For All to help 15% of the population.

 

Not since trump took over. That was then, this is now.

trump killed the legend of Ragged Dick. <the novel by Horatio Alger.

 

Sorry, you've lost me. Can you comment in more general (not America specific, IOW) terms?

 

“In any case, welfare, the dole, poor relief—call it what you will—is a spectacular failure. More than that, if the reasoning presented here is sound, it is one of the vast tragic ironies of our age. It springs from the desire of good-hearted people to see poverty diminished, but in practice, apparently, it augments poverty. The fault is not in our intentions, but in our methods, our economic understanding, and ultimately, perhaps, in our principles. “To quit this business of relief,” to end “the days of the dole,” we might well find it best simply to do it. Let officials design policy—that is, do away with policies—according to the classical Liberal principle that “the force of law should never be used to benefit some people at the expense of others,” not even if those benefiting are poor. Let care of the really needy be returned to individual responsibility—to genuine, private charity and efficient, private organizations. []”

This entire article explains it perfectly:

https://fee.org/articles/does-welfare-diminish-poverty/

 

What does that have to do with that I posted?
And make no mistake, I’m not advocating for govt run single payer. I’m just merely pointing out we already pay for others health care.

 

I hear you. Again, I was ONLY pointing out we already pay for others health care. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

What would be your suggestions to help them?

 

In the case of welfare we spend a lot of money to stop proverty yet the rates of poverty stay the same. Government makes money off of poor people.

In the words of Thomas Sowell, “the poor are a gold-mine” for the predominantly middle-income bureaucracy.

 

Wow, you scared me!

 

Can't you tell? He's scared. me too.

 

That's because throwing junk at junkies doesn't end heroin addiction. NOT helping junkies is the only way to get them to rethink the error of their ways. Just as we do when we withhold privileges from small children, so they learn they need to do the right thing if they expect any reward.

 

You are correct.

 

Portugal has legalized drugs. They have no illegal drug problems like we do. There is no market for illegal drug dealers there. Also, they believe in drug education and treat it as an illness rather rhan a crime.

 

We also pay for the oil depletion allowance and other corporate welfare. Did you forget about that?

 

That's like the old idiom of starving the cold to cure it. The way it is now is that the cure is worse than the disease.

 

OK, whatever you say.

 

The government needs to be cut in half. Cut defense, entitlements, etc. Cut it all.

 

Cut funding to other areas that shouldn't be getting funding or are getting more funding than they should. Prisons would be a good start. Cut back on all nonessential items. We have prisoners that receive better health care than some free, contributing members of society. Next we could address all those government benefits collectively know as Welfare. There are many receiving benefits who have the ability to work and at least help provide for themselves. We could also require people receiving SNAP to eat differently which would save money. Those are places where I would start if it were up to me.

Once we are saving in money in the areas where we are spending too much we will have more to help those truly in need.

 

If you've noted the nature of your disability, I missed it. But based on casual observation there are more fakers actually ON disability then there are truly disabled who are.

Take my case. I can't stand. I can't walk. I poop into a bag taped onto my side. Sometimes that bag ruptures or peels off on it's own. I can't dress or undress myself without help. I can only wear very loose fitting sandals, and even those are uncomfortable. While I can do the soap and water part of taking a shower, the prep required by my wife is extensive and it's a major pain in the ass for me to get out and back into my wheelchair from my shower bench. The bench itself makes it impossible to properly clean my butt, which creates at least one positive side effect to not pooping like a normal person. My short and long term memory are shot. We could talk 3 days in a row and I might tell you the same story every single day, whereas my mind thinks it's the first time each time. I can't sleep on a flat bed. I can get from my recliner to my wheelchair, but I can (and have) fallen, so I tend to avoid it, especially when I'm home alone, which is ironically the time I might NEED to the most. And I could keep going....

 

Sure, sure. So you can give me an example of a society in which entrenched welfare has moved the populace out of poverty, I take it?

Meantime, it's NOTHING like starving a cold - it's demonstrating cause and effect to those who think they're so special that they're entitled to an exemption from this fundamental reality, and doing so with full and constant awareness that resources are finite.

 

Do you think some people should be exempt? Just 'cause?