Hawaii proposes repeal of the Second Amendment .....

Seriously. One needs to read their own references. Otherwise, it’s a case of spreading woo woo. Wide spread fraud anywhere else but in the denial factory is plain woo woo.

 

Okay, I can respect that viewpoint.

 

"Your delirious" is irrational ad hominem. Substantive rebuttal is more persuasive.
Do you think Slate is "delirious"?

"In fact, the week before the New York Times put the replication crisis on A1, science journalist Christie Aschwanden laid out these facts in great detail in a wonderful article and interactive for FiveThirtyEight. Her piece runs through the many biases, errors, and inefficiencies of modern scientific practice that allow false findings to infiltrate the literature. Researchers can hack their way to spurious conclusions, and they’re incentivized to hide negative results. Journal editors ignore replication failures, and they’re often slow to fix mistakes."
SLATE: SCIENCE, Is Science Broken? Or is it self-correcting? By Daniel Engber, Lisa Larson-Walker, AUG. 21 2017.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...is_not_self_correcting_science_is_broken.html

Fake Science has now been documented on the public record. Denial will not fix it.

 

I think you need to read it again more carefully. Is it your position that there are thousands of scientist/dupes out there? Think it through.

"Stefan Hell, who won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 2014, told ICIJ that the pseudo-science cultivated through predatory publishing is an issue that demands action, echoing the sentiments of other Nobel prizewinners and research groups. “If there is a system behind it,” Hall said, “and there are people who aren’t just duped by it but who take advantage of it, then it has to be shut down.”
MOTHER JONES, 400,000 Scientists All Over the World Have Been Published in Fake Journals, Journalists investigated widespread fraud within the scientific publishing community., BY KARI SONDEJUL. 20, 2018.
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/07/real-news-tackles-fake-science/

Read this again:

“[A]nd there are people who aren’t just duped by it but who take advantage of it, then it has to be shut down.” Stefan Hall

Who are the "dupes", and has it been "shut down"?

 

Do they think that the necessary number of states will ratify such an amendment?

 

Again, science provides no value statement. Inherent in your discussion are your values which you assume universal (they aren’t) in which you are using what you think is an authority called science to justify your values. Yet, all knowledge derived from the body of contemporary understanding build by the various means of discovery using the scientific method is not only subject to challenge but is also subject to the biases and ideolog of the various enclaves of competing interests. Or, is science done? as the 1899 commissioner of patents suggested.
In regard to your DNA example, having DNA is not definitive proof that cannot be challenged in court. There are many instances of contamination, results fudging, planting, broken chains of evidence, and more.
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5c4dfa704309e
In regard to DNA, should samples be required of all citizens? Against their will? What of the ethical (values) implications ala Gattica? Then too, given the rapid exploration of DNA with tools like CRISPR and Cello, what of the future potential of being able to alter DNA?
Gee, perhaps we don’t need registration, eh? Just track DNA from anyone touching specific guns and match them to the great big DNA database in the sky.

 

Nope.....but they do feel.

 

Dna is an extension of the finger print. Unlike it, We don’t need to DNA test everyone, we do it when need arises.

Science sets the foundation from which decisions can and should be made. Without evidence, values have no meaning....ones values are corrupted by false information and lies. You pretend to know science ? You’re making a lot of irrational statements to defend ignorance, muddy the waters and sow doubt. Just throwing woo woo out there ?

 

Read your own article. It’s a critique of the publishing rights and publishers, not scientists. But keep throwing poo tang agaisnt the wall. Maybe something will stick.

 

The question was presented to yourself. Therefore the burden of proof to provide an answer is upon yourself, rather than on the part of anyone else.

Pride has no bearing on the matter, as it is of no relevance to the discussion. The above statement, which cannot even be proven through factual citation, does not even begin to address the question of which firearm-related restrictions qualify as being "reasonable" to yourself, nor why they were considered to be "reasonable" in the first place.

 

It’s impossible to reason with unreasonable people who prevaricate in fiction and half truths.

 

Then cease bantering and remove yourself from the current ongoing discussion if the message being presented by yourself is either being heard, not respected by those being addressed.

 

Why don’t you just get your facts on climate change from NASA and the 7500 universities and research centers ? Why get your facts from OPINON editorials from for profit publications.
Going to non scientific sources on climate change is like asking a FOx News prevarication to perform heart surgery. They are non scientists, as are you. You’re the one without cred.

 

I hope I’m irritating to irrational gun legumes. The posts here are by gun legumes are the epitome of trolling.

 

Then the above statement is an open admission to not taking part in open, honest, or legitimate debate and/or discussion, but rather engaged in acts of trolling and derailing the discussion.

 

Not when the response is false wth made information . Own it. Gun legumes have no interest in anything but propagating their love of guns and repeating their irrational fears.

 

Some people just get upset when they cant win. It happens to my ten year old sometimes too

 

It's a long, grueling process almost impossible to succeed at. Good thing.

 

Maybe Hawaii just think they are an entitled snow flake that deserves it's own version of curation... Perhaps the federal government should expropriate the entire island, remove the people, and make it a national wilderness area and resettle the folks to other states.... Distance seems to always make folks feel like their distant "masters" don't know them. Fine, bring them all back to the Mainland....

 

The issue is the credibility of science and the data collected and published by scientists.
I have cited Slate, The NYT, Scientific American, The Scientist, MoJo ..., but not Fox News.

 

In fact, and predictably, every scheme used to disarm the law abiding public encourages more crime including gun crime.

“The ban on handguns after the Dunblane
massacre has failed to halt either the
rise in armed crime or to undermine the
British appetite for shooting sports. To
the dismay of campaigners, who hoped the
tragedy would instill a lasting sense of
public revulsion over firearms, guns are
again fashionable in Britain.” Ian Burrell,
Home Affairs Correspondent, “
THE INDEPENDENT, After five years, Dunblane remembers,” “Tragedy has
done little to quash appetite for gunplay,” By Ian Burrell, Home Affairs Correspondent, 3/13/2001.

 

Every one on this forum is far better informed on every issue than the general public. None of our members are "legumes".
I think you are wrong on most, but not all issues and I always enjoy reading your copy - I respect you and everyone else here personally.
Feel free to dissect ideas, opinions and evidence, but try to be kind to your partners in these discussions.

 

Attack the "fiction" and "half truths" not the people. It works better and you are pretty good at it.

 

You have missed the point of the article. Ferid Murad clearly states that "the credibility of science is at stake" when 400,000 scientists choose to be published in Fake Science journals.

"Though universities and research institutes warn scientists to steer clear of these publishers, many were shocked by their widespread, rapid growth. According to the report, Süddeutsche Zeitung and German broadcasters NDR and WDR found that over 5,000 German scientists alone have been published in such journals, to the chagrin of Nobel Prize winners like Ferid Murad, winner of the 1998 Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine, who said that the credibility of science is at stake."
MOTHER JONES, 400,000 Scientists All Over the World Have Been Published in Fake Journals, Journalists investigated widespread fraud within the scientific publishing community., BY KARI SONDEJUL. 20, 2018.
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/07/real-news-tackles-fake-science/

When nearly half a million scientists are involved in "widespread fraud" how many are left that we can still trust?

 

YOU missed the whole idea. Publishing any study in a non peer reviewed article by these NON SCIENCE agencies who are doing it for advertising purposes still says nothing about the authenticity of the articles or the study regardless of the individual study. The entire point is, you believe credible science ONLY when it’s published buy PEER REVIEWED institutional science publications. Unless it comes from an individual scientist who is speaking for an institution, nothing is official otherwise from any individual science person. . None of your references, that supposedly Indicate some place like the MIT web site has no Cred....is a real critique,.

You want real science.....it’s there. It’s simple, it’s true and dependable. And there, are thousands of websites from ligit science institutes, country agencies and corporations that all AGREE. AGW is real. Your references are still woo woo. The real science is obvious and published everywhere. If you try to discredit them, you discredit yourself...especially when thousands of these institutions, all agree. Geese’s, even those from politically competing nations agree. Science is science,