Windmills!

Hey, I am happier than a pig in ****. I have no truck with windmills. I am just pointing out how sometimes the good intentions of man can create a reverse result.

WTF are you talking about? Mankind only has 11 years 10 months before it all closes down.

 

I meant weight not carrying capacity. a F250 weighs 6000 lbs there are two of them in my 8 house cul-de-sac. There is also an escalade that weighs almost that and they don't even have kids.

And the green new deal does not say that.

 

You make it seem that power plants run at 100% capacity. First, you make it seem like we will need more power plants, with green energy specially solar capacity will be taken up by renewables. If they don't want to generate power they can sell the plants to someone who will operate it.

 

They seem to want to defend their right to drive around in nine MPG trucks carrying one person and a case of beer.

Why people would pay so much money for a depreciating asset, and then so much more to put fuel in it is beyond me.

But that's their cholce.

And when the battery life and charging issues are resolved, they'll be among the first to go electric too.

After all, you can make an electric car as big as you want , because Detroit doesn't have to worry about its gas milage.

Look for the return of the old fashioned American full size car, then. And millions will step down from their trucks to buy one.

After all, most of them really want a soft ride.

 

Ah, extending the tailpipe. Electricity doesn't grow on trees, you know.

 

It doesn't have to be constant just be at least 7mph. The flow rate through dams isn't constant either. They all franchise them so they do have some control.

 

People who can't sleep at night because your noisy wind turbines keep them awake are not happy and get increasingly irritable, dangerous, sick.

 

I was too. Last one I saw had a horse trailer behind it.

 

I have been busy and have not been following discussion. The power plants could not run at 100% capacity continuously, even if they wanted to.. By the very nature of the load on the plant, it will vary as people change their electricity demand. If they try to go beyond the capacity of the plant, there will be brown outs as the plants lose their capability to meet the demand. As the demand drops below the capability of the plant provide it, the generators become easier to turn, whether it be windmills or fossil fuel.

 

There is plenty of lithium in the world and they are recyclable.

 

I've said nothing of the sort but you seem to believe fossil or nuclear plants will build enough capacity to also be able to supply the power to cities who rely mostly on solar or wind or even to a great degree. That when those cities don't need it that capacity will be idle capacity not producing power not a making MONEY for the owners and investors. They normally have about a 120% -130% capacity for maintenance and a abnormal peak. They don't have capacity sitting there waiting for cloudy days or windless days. THAT'S the problem with inconsistent energy sources on a very delicately balanced power grid.

 

And there goes cost and you have to have the capacity to not only supply the on demand power but power for storage later. And how many hours can you store? And what other people have been talking is that there is just all this excess capacity that is hardly used and can supply cities with the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine at an instant.

It will be a huge cost that is rarely factored in in these discussions of going total of close to it wind and solar the only "renewalbles" being used on an scale at all.

And getting snarky only makes you look silly.

 

If we were smart, we would be working harder on the smart power grid, because it is happening anyway. As more and more solar and wind is added the old plants sit idle all day and run at peak plus at night.
The first applications will ultimately be to supply this night time demand with stored energy rather than a power plant.

 

Sounds like a great business opportunity...

 

Don't dismiss that out of hand. There are known risks associated with concentrated radiation.

 

How do they make money and pay the operating cost and debt if they are not selling power all day? Who is going to invest in a plant that operates at half or less capacity?

 

Sound waves are not radiation of any type or are you talking about ELF that is produce by any electric power system not just windmills and never been shown to be harmful?

Hell if it was harmful then power plants employees would be in a world of hurt ever since the first Edison plant come online in NYC in the late 1890s.
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Or do you share Trump complete lack of knowledge and so simply do not know what you are talking about?

 

LOL the operating cost is one hell of a lot less then for example a coal plant where you need coal mines, miles long freight trains to move the coal to the plants,storage areas for the meg tons of coal ash that the plant produce and that hopefully will not let the ash into the ground water and so on,

 

Phase it in as the old coal plants go offline and build little gas ones.

 

I'm talking about the substations associated.

 

The best option is to produce our own. Each household responsible for their own production and use. Apartment dwellers would need to use some kind of generator .. gas powered perhaps. Of course apartment buildings would need to have large solar arrays on rooftops, providing a basic rationed supply to each apartment. Excess individual use goes to individual generators.

All such ideas depend for their efficacy on an altered mindset, though, and that's where we run into roadblocks. Until we stop thinking of electricity as fundamental 24/7 right (like breathing), we can't change a thing. Having made the switch from mindless abuse of electricity years ago, I can admit that it's not easy, but it's doable. And it's empowering (pun intended).

 

Transformers or inverters?

 

All the bits that go into a substation. Both, either. My father used to manage them (from a distance!), so I did once know all the insy outsy .. long since forgotten due to lack of interest

 

Actually, the flow rates through dams are often quite consistent. Dams have to allow the natural flow of the river to flow through at all times. Thus, a constant flow is always available. Additional turbines can be brought on line depending on the demand (and the price) from the grid. Contrary to what most of us believe, it actually takes well over an hour if not longer to bring additional capacity online. Thus, their ability to match the demand curve on the grid is not as great as one might think.

 

From a distance indeed...............A hundred years or so of such stations with many thousands of employees working around an in the substations and no harm had come into view.

Or are you claiming another cover up on the scale of the lunar landings?