Iran threatens to Clost Straits of Hormuz

Please do, enlighten me?

 

Where do you come up with such wonderful sources like sott.net or blabla.org?

 

In this discussion (if not others) he is at a grave disadvantage due to lack of knowledge and unwillingness to seek it out.

 

Your only hope of redemption is to apologize to Iran then they might take pity upon you and agree to FAIR negotiations . You have been trying to 'squeeze' them since the end of the 1970's .... to no avail.

 

I know this is getting off topic but your problem is a common one. I realize that third world populations have no access to knowledge but the U.S. does ... so there ought to be no excuse for you and your countrymen.

You look to the end of your nose for knowledge and refuse to take the slightest glance to the right or the left in fear of discovering that the world isn't "black & white" "With Us or Against us" "Love it or Leave it". I have met a lot of Americans (hell, I lived there for years) and it amazes me how so many resist experience of life but can't wait to jump into a subject they know so little about with their lips flapping.

 

Very eloquent.

 

Just imagine if their Houthi allies won and Iran had the ability to simultaneously block the Suez canal as well? And THAT is why we back the anti-Iranian forces in Yemen children.

 

Such falsehoods are easy to debunk.

The quote attributed to Kohr by your sources is completely fabricated. Well, no surprise there, since this is the usual modus operandi of Israel haters, forced to resort to falsehoods and distortions to avoid dealing with accurate facts in a reality that contradicts their narrative.

(@Thingamabob how's that for eloquence? English is not even my mother tongue...heh)

The most reliable version of the article allegedly published in the NYSun in 2003, article I couldn't find in their archive, was published by the Atlantic. The Atlantic journalist quotes a New Republic article that no longer exists at the link given. This is the relevant part of the quote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/10/aipac-and-iraq/46561/

The above is clearly not a direct quote of Kohr's own words. However the Israel haters twisted the narrative to make it look like Kohr himself boasted of AIPAC's success in lobbying for the war in Iraq, to avoid the "but it's just the opinion of a NYSun journalist, Kohr never really said that" kind of predictable reaction.

Furthermore, there's this other quote from the same New Republic article, which Israel haters avoid like plague because it completely ruins their "AIPAC sent American soldiers to die for Israel" favorite bedtime story. Here it is:

Loud and clear, ladies and gentlemen on the Israel haters side of the fence. If any lobbying for the Iraq war was done by AIPAC, it was done to support the president of the United States, their own elected president. Now please explain how supporting decisions made by own democratically elected president could be construed as treason. I'm all ears...well, eyes

 

It seems like an unlikely proposition.

With the US Navy and the Chinese directly across the straight, and Yemen essentially a lawless country, it’s not likely.

I don’t think the Iranians can succeed at closing the Straits of Hormuz for any significant length of time.

But images of burning oil tankers will fuel a world wide economic anxiety attack, drive up oil prices, and further instability.

None of these are desirable outcomes.

 

But imagine if the Houthis came out on top in Yemen and could base Iranian missiles on its' coast, giving them the ability to cut off Suez?

 

By doing research....
There are far more sources out there than Faux News, my friend

 

The man has just supplied you with info complete with exact quotes. Perhaps your English comprehension is weak? "Quotes", you know what those are?

English is not my mother tongue either so I assume my better understanding of it must sting enough for you to seek me out in your above comment. Sticking to the subject would be my prudent advice to you and there will be less opportunity of getting your ego crushed again.

 

The man has just supplied me with lying sources. complete with distortions and deceptions. Unacceptable.

Yeah, I know what quotes are, however quotes aren't automatically absolute truth just because they're quotes. Unless you can provide proof that "quote" and "absolute proof" are synonyms....?

Try harder.

 

May I suggest a few more good sources for your research?

 

Name calling, denials and evasions do not refute the fact that Israeli lobbies did, indeed, push the US to a war with Iraq that was primarily in Israel's interest much like the Israeli war mongering against Iran, today(1).

Kohr said what he said as repeated in numerous sources & is not the first arrogant Israeli lobbyist to brag about AIPAC's influence.

Since the Israeli's knew that the Iraq war would be a disaster, they wanted their support for it to be quiet support complete with an attempted cover-up:

EXCERPT "In The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, Walt and Mearsheimer clearly show that AIPAC pushed the Iraq war, though quietly.

AIPAC usually supports what Israel wants, and Israel certainly wanted the United States to invade Iraq. Nathan Guttman made this very connection in his reporting [in Haaretz, April 2003] on AIPAC’s annual conference in the spring of 2003, shortly after the war started: “AIPAC is wont to support whatever is good for Israel, and so long as Israel supports the war, so too do the thousands of the AIPAC lobbyists who convened in the American capital.”

AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr’s statement to the New York Sun in January 2003 is even more revealing, as he acknowledged “‘quietly’ lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq” was one of “AIPAC’s successes over the past year.”

And in a lengthy New Yorker profile of Steven J. Rosen, who was AIPAC’s policy director during the run-up to the Iraq war, Jeffrey Goldberg reported that “AIPAC lobbied Congress in favor of the Iraq war.” CONTINUED (2)

Briefly put, you've got absolutely no evidence that Kohr's words as they have been related in numerous sources are "completely fabricated".
Israeli war mongers & America's infestation of Israeli lobbies are pushing America to war with Iran, today, just as certainly as they quietly pushed the US to war with Iraq years ago.





(1) "Netanyahu & the Lobby Cowboy Up For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/netanyahu-the-lobby-cowbo_b_3611038.html

EXCERPT "But Netanyahu’s fear-mongering has made a difference. The Israel lobby here has made confronting Iran the centerpiece of its activities on Capitol Hill, successfully drafting and easily convincing both Democrats and Republicans to enact sanctions that punish the Iranian people along with resolutions making clear that the U.S. will go to war if Iran doesn’t give up its nuclear program."CONTINUED


(2) "The Iraq war coverup: What did AIPAC do and when did it do it?"
https://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and-when-did-it-do-it/

 

That's enough proof for even the most fervent denier.

Precisely.

 

We are done apologizing. That's what the democrat party does. That party is not in power. We are not weaklings like the democrat leaders. We do not give away $150 billion dollars US to state sponsored terrorists. Sweden is a tiny county that has little say in world politics. Stay out of US business that does not concern you. You would be speaking German or Russian today if it were not for the US. Sweden was not so neutral in WWII. You have no say in world politics. Keep it that way.

 

Thank you.
I try very hard to support my assertions with multiple, credible sources and have never tried to pass off a false or misleading quote.
Fortunately, I don't have to use false quotes as there are numerous actual quotes that confirm the reality of Israel's "quiet successes" in driving America into that disastrous Iraq war.
Unfortunately, the same Israeli lobbies & disloyal "Israel Firsters" are eager to sacrifice more American lives in an even more disastrous war with Iran, today.

 

You haven’t even begun. Have you? What apology did you make to Iran?

Typical extremist response.

* Republican - Democrat
* Far Left – Far Right
* Love it – or Leave it
* With us – or Against us

No intelligence, No insight.

Size is important to you, huh.

Iran is in my hemisphere ….. not yours.

I do speak German. BTW: Germany said if they lose WW II that we would all be speaking English. Golly! They were right!

That’s right. We spied on the Nazis and cooperated with the western allies. But they didn’t teach you that in American schools (nor did they teach you that it was the Russians who won the war) because they didn’t want to confuse you.

I guess you don’t know what the word “world” means. I see that you used that word in your sentence but you do not know what it means. It seems to me that if the U.S. would keep its nose out of world politics and stick to its own borders the world would be much safer and there would far fewer wars being waged in Washington’s name and maybe no terrorism whatsoever.

 

You have done VERY well.

I read all of your quotes and I agree with you.

American lives have been destroyed in order to make American politicians extremely wealthy through bribes by American businessmen starting (at least) as far back as the Vietnam war. Israel is getting its share of dirty money whenever it is about the Middle East.

 

Nothing about the "rapacious parasitic and insidious" Germans, Japs and Brits who have cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars? How about our "rapacious parasitic and insidious" Pisans in Italy?

Your selective outrage is about as difficult to read as "Dick and Jane"...

 

So on the subject of the U.S. ravaging the Middle East and terrorizing Iran, it is your choice to cry "what-about-ism" and criticize Germany, Japan, Britan, and Italy for your unrelated spun history? Deflecting and steering away from the thread subject isn't very honest and indicates a distinct lack of earnestness.

 

Appeal to authority and loaded sentences won't help you prove your point.

There are numerous sources disputing and refuting Walt and Mearsheimer's allegations. Funny how you never find them.

To the New York Sun - yes, the same New York Sun whose (alleged - still couldn't find that article in their archive) article has been misquoted to the point of completely changing the narrative - the "Lobby" looks like a chat between Ahmadinejad and David Duke.
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/harvard-chicago-and-the-lobby/29357/

Copy-paste from "sources" is neither proof of anything, nor a solid basis for debate.

 

I have seen you pull this same stunt often. Biting the ankles of posters who say things you do not appreciate at all.

Can you please check the box at the bottom speaking of rules?

When a poster shows you examples of things you do not like at all, try to speak to the same topic. Say he brings up Germany, you reply about Germany. But replying about the poster is not a good idea.

 

General Sada speaks of this in his book. Sada speaks of the Saddam plan to bomb Israel with WMD.
"Israeli lobbies did, indeed, push the US to a war with Iraq that was primarily in Israel's interest much like the Israeli war mongering against Iran, today"