Mueller report: Barr lied! There was was obstruction... and... surprise surprise...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    He is breaking the law.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    No he is not. The house is required by law to obtain a judge's ruling to access the Grand jury info. They apparently believe that won't happen so they are trying to circumvent the law that they themselves wrote.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but this doesn't say that the AG doesn't have to release the report to Congress.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Can you support that it is a requirement?

    How is he not doing his job? He released the report didn't he?

    By doing what exactly?

    Where did Barr say that there was no collusion of ANY kind?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Not everyone has simple minds. Clearly Trump knew he was in the wrong, which is why he tried multiple times to stop the investigation, and why he is now trying so hard to block its full disclosure. If Trump was so innocent, and the report says so, why not release the whole thing? What are Republicans afraid of? What is Mitch McConnell afraid of? and Grassly and Graham.
     
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    Which "comments" from Mueller?

    How was it NOT a summary of the "principal conclusions?" Do you even know what is meant by "principle conclusions?"

    So then why did Mueller specifically say that it had nothing to do with his decision to not prosecute? It looks like these "300 legal experts" (who have a media that will back them) disagree with Mueller! I would bet my right testicle that every single last one of those 300 people are laughable, pathetic liberal Trump haters! And they disagree with the man who they thought was going to take down Trump for them! :roflol:

    You said, "contrary to Barr's statement." So you think that he said something that contradicted his summary letter, right?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Is "Office of Legal Counsel" mentioned on either of those pages? I can't find it.
     
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    I can’t recall, but he goes through the constitutional analysis of holding the presidential accountable for obstruction of justice
     
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    Yeah, he doesn't even need to mention the OLC in order to do this.
     
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    Well the opinion just isn’t relevent to idea that he can still recommend charges, like Starr did, if he believed there was enough to do so. He simply couldn’t reach that conclusion
     
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    Starr?
     
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    Ken Starr
     
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    Like Starr did in what case?
     
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    Bill CLinton’s impeachment case. He was the independent counsel
     
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    You did. You described an illegal conspiracy in an attempt to compare it to Trump's activities. Go back and read what you wrote.
     
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    It doesn't say he does either.
     
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    "Someone obstructs justice when that person has a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, that person must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but that person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a connection between the endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the person must have knowledge of this"

    Obstruction of justice


    Neither Mueller, or Barr, found any evidence of obstruction of justice. give it a rest already. You guys are trying to twist and contort the meaning of the law and hoping people are ignorant enough to bite.
     
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    The AG has released something like 98% of the report, which is as much as he legally can. We just went thru three years with people creating all manner of conspiracy theories, and publicly claiming Trump guilty of all kinds of imaginary crimes. And you still want to continue down this path, over what????

    Mueller did not find anyone guilty of collusion, nor anything that amounted to obstruction of justice, which is why he did not charge anyone with anything.

    Whatever, all of this will be forgotten once the DOJ OIG report comes out, and we have real crimes revealed, that Obama's administration committed. No one will need to invent wild conspiracy theories, because the real crimes committed by Obama's people will be right in front of us.
     
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    Nonsense. Clearly Trump an innocent man hounded by a fraudulent investigation was thoroughly pissed and acted like it. And again why doesn't the House Dems follow established procedure and there are more people in there than Trump and they don't need to be further harassed by grandstanding Dems.
     
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    His job is not to violate the laws that the US Congress passed, and release grand jury material. Barr has released 98% or so to the public, which is all of the report that he is legally allowed to release.

    Barr has unredacted some sensitive material in the report, and offered to allowed members of Congress come and read it, but not remove it. As far as I know, not one Democrat has bothered to read it, but a couple dozen Republicans have. If this info is sooooooo important and crucial, why haven't the dems bothered to read it?
     
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    ...and from what I have heard, Mueller knew all the way back in January of 2018 that he had determined that no Americans colluded with any Russians, and yet he refused to publicly close that part. Instead, he allowed people to draw their own assumptions, with the media and Trump's rivals calling the president a traitor for 15 more months. Why? Was Mueller trying to influence the 2018 elections, and hoping maybe he could help flip both the Senate and the House?
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. This is a country. Not a game in which each side does "whatever it takes" to "win". Barr can get a court order easily. It's his job to provide the information to Congress. Period! He took an oath of office! He swore loyalty to the Constitution. Not to Trump.

    Republicans have been in power for over 2 years and they still don't understand what it means to govern.
     
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    For all your questions, look up "Oath of office"

    Many times. House Congressional hearing, for example.
     
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    The ones in Mueller's summary.

    No, actually.

    Quote

    What I said was much more clear than whatever it is you're saying.
     
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    It is congress' job to get the court order not Barr's. That's how the process is was set up, You won't find a special council even mentioned in the constitution.
     

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