Roger Stone May Have Just Exposed A Major Issue With Mueller’s Report

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  1. Tim15856

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    We all knew this from day one, but now there it is in black and white.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Before Democrats invented this farce, resulting in the Mueller report, clearly clearing all Americans, and get this, it also cleared Trump and his son .... They used the Hitler ate the candy tactic.

    Now they blame it on Putin.; This should last until they get their daily dose of Vodka, from who? Putin of course.

    But for Strzok and his bed partner Page, how far would this mess have gone in the first place? Why did Obama sound very insistent that nobody could meddle with our election. I watched his entire lecture on why it was impossible. Bet he did not inform the SS did he?
     
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    As long as “moving on” means claiming the dems pushed a collusion investigation as a political tool right ?
     
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    Ah, to live in the bliss of ignorance of fact.

    On the very first page of the Mueller report, he states very clearly:
    Thats not information from the DNC, or some “demo party loyalist”. Thats beyond ridiculous. And claiming that that comes from the “word of a dem party loyalist company” is beyond ridiculous on its face. THAT comes from the 7 US Government agencies tasked with investigating the issue. ALL 7 of them agreed on this. Nobody debated that until the party over country right wing realized that the only way to defend themselves was to discredit the driving force of the investigation. Defending Trump by literally denying facts is one thing, but this ideal that discrediting the charge is beyond dangerous. But since the information came out in the Mueller report, the only way forward politically for the right is to discredit the charge. The investigation was very clear. Trump may not have colluded with the Russians, but he sure as hell seeked out, received help, and knowingly and willingly accepted that help from a hostile foreign nation. Their is no debating that now, so the right has to find a new political path, and this is it. It’s disgraceful for this country. I weep for this country that the right wing of this country actually try to hold the “patriotism” flag over the left, and then defends what Trump did with a hostile foreign nation.

    He may not have actually asked for help from, or worked directly with them to attain the information used, but he sure as hell accepted, used, and benefited from the help of a hostile foreign power to win the election, and then lied at every turn about it, and you and yours will have to defend that in 2020.
     
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    The only thing that helped the Trump campaign was the release of the DNC e-mails by Wikileaks. The stupid troll-farm stuff didn't do anything. The Trump Tower meeting didn't result in anything.

    There is no direct link from the Trump campign to Wikileaks. The Trump campaign tried, through a third party, to coordinate with Wikileaks. That is at least two steps away from THE RUSSIANS!.
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    The Trump Tower meeting and the Papadopoulos meetings are the main events pointing to possible collusion. Yet, both of those appear suspect. There are suspicious connections which point to the possible manipulation of those events.

    It is also known that foreign intelligence actors have been making contacts with presidential campaigns for a long time. Lots of contacts. This is not new, or unique to the Trump campaign.

    My own personal wild-assed theory is that some group of people got together and hatched a plot. They got somebody to write a report slanted towards connecting Trump to THE RUSSIANS!, tossed in a couple of staged events, and then played up the contacts that THE RUSSIANS! always try to initiate with campaigns. Easy Peasy, instant scandal.
     
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    That is where the facts seem to point. If they did nothing wrong, there's nothing to worry about.
     
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    Oh look, a post that confirms, everyone's a RINO if they don't swallow for tRUMP.
     
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    I don't see why the Trumpetstrumps see this as a positive.

    Stone has also sought the entire unredacted Mueller report, claiming that it's necessary to argue his case.

    Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is overseeing Stone's case, has ordered the Justice Department to give her the unredacted parts of the report relating to Stone for her to review privately while she considers Stone's request.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ss-evidence-against-him/ar-AABcaGo?li=BBnbfcL

    IF Judge Jackson can compel the DOJ to give her the unredacted report as part of a criminal trial, why should the DOJ be able to hide the report from the House of Rep that has the duty to determine whether Trump should be impeached? … and that's according to Barr.
     
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    Because the law regarding grand jury procedures say they can only be lifted by court order, not house wishes. The house needs to file their own motion in federal court. Seems like Stone is smarter then Naddy
     
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    Hahaha oh please let Mr. Anthrax case have been that stupid.
     
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    So a judge ordered the DOJ to break the law?
     
  12. AmericanNationalist

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    That is exactly what they've done. Which is why when Trump declassifies the information, Trump's going to see even more to be upset about. Stone picking at these threads, is a great step. I want justice done, but justice is not setting people up for a crime and then calling them criminals. That is not justice and prosecutors get away with it all too often.
     
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    I'll enjoy mine and you keep inventing yours.
     
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    He does not have Republican values and is a divisive individual. He has not changed the Republican party because the party of rump
    does not represent Republican as I know it. Trump is an autocrat wannabe and if that is the kind of change you like, then go for it.
     
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    Stone is going to prison if doesn’t get a pardon. Whatever nonsense his lawyers submit to the court won’t change that.
     
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    Hope you are correct. He promised to shore to social security which is bankrupt. That hasn't happened. The guy spews what you want to hear for your votes and has no intention of making good because he has no plan.
     
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    "Absurd assumptions"? I own an I.T. consulting firm. I have worked in I.T. for over 30 years. An organization like the DNC using a server like the one you depict for the national elections would be insane. I don't know if that datacenter in the picture (I don't remember where I got it) belongs to Dell or Azure or AWS or ... any of the many firms that provide those services. Who cares? Point is that that is exactly what an organization like the DNC would use for a national elections.

    So don't be ridiculous. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

    BTW, here is an AWS datacenter and a Microsoft one. Visually, there is not much difference. DNC could have used any of those.

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    How many times are RedState, Gateway Pundit, InfoWars and the rest of the right wing trash blogs going to keep recycling this Crowdstrike BS?
     
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    Trump is very popular among rank and file Republicans, which leaves you out.
     
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    Total Trumpster BS.
     
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    We'll just have to wait and see if I'm a Trumpster, or if I'm factually accurate. If the IG/Barr completely clear everyone of wrongdoing, I'll be right there with you and call myself the Trumpster that I've never been.
     
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    Again you picked the largest data centers you could find to exaggerate with. I don't care what you own. That doesn't make you immune to exaggeration. My wife worked IT for 40 years. I have been in large data centers. Amazon? Really? You would claim that the DNC uses servers comparable to Amazon? Get real. Amazon employs more than 700k people. You are really trying to compare the DNC to Amazon? The DNC only had about 100 employees at time Perez took over.

    "When Perez took over in late February, the DNC was down to about 100 employees — its lowest staffing level in recent history. Everyone remaining was told to submit a letter of resignation."
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/d...ef-rebuilds-broken-party-organization-n789696

    Now come back down to earth and stop with the exaggerations.
     
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    Sessions republican-ism isn't in doubt. Sessions lacked the backbone to confront partisan political assassins. You guys just ought to send Jeff a thank you note for recusing himself and letting the (D)'s replace him as AG with Bob Mueller.
     
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    You are one of the biggest Trumpsters on this forum. You try and assert otherwise,but you invariable run right back to the right wing talking points.

    Barr’s credibility is non existent at this point, not that he’s the one doing investigating. (I don’t understand why you don’t seem to understand how your government works).
     
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    I'd say creating and filling 4 million new jobs, meaning 4 million new SS contributors is a good start. Your beloved pyramid scheme scheme can only go on for as long as fresh marks are conned into playing.
     

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