Damn I keep forgetting that sarcasm goes over the heads of people who aren’t sophisticated enough to get it. Sorry I won’t use it again
Hah I was bustin chops. I actually thought you were posting good content. Sad to know you can't understad.
You're wrong. Get over it. If it's the fetus's body then it has no right to use another's body to sustain it's life. It should be able to sit on a shelf and grow on it's own
If men were the ones who had to carry a baby for nine months, then go thru several hours of painful labor, then give birth to the baby---do you think abortion would even be an issue? NO, it wouldn't be an issue at all.
Yes, My Opinion Was More Pro In My Younger Years. Before abortion was legal in California my medical school ran, Menstrual Induction clinics. A young lady would come in and say, "Oh I missed my period" and the Gyn would say, "We better do a D&C" The pathology report would show evidence of pregnancy and the reason for her missed period and Rx was done. Menstrual Induction Clinic Truly, it is abortion after 25 weeks that bothers me. And reports of thumb in the brain as the "fetus" is in the birth canal. You? @Sallyally
It would be more reasonable to say that you object to terminations after 25 weeks wouldn’t it, rather than a blanket disapproval of the procedure?
I do wish that diagnosis of defects incompatible with life or threats to the mother’s life could be made much earlier. Once again, it comes back to better health and ante natal care.
How about as an option? flip a coin, live / die Oh My Man Left Me, I Don't Want His Baby Now! 36 weeks How many weeks would you say, "No!" ? Or is thumb in the skull while in the birth canal okay too? No Extenuating Circumstances Required. Just the speaker of a binary being's wishes. How far before It Is No Longer Just An Option, per @Sallyally Speak Clearly Into The Microphone, please.
Wisdom of "The Birdcage" re.: abortion Albert: (advocating capitol punishment) Oh, I know what you're going to say. "If you kill the mother, the fetus dies, too." But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship? Moi Abortion on demand folks are 100% borned already.
Yes, that’s so common..(sarcasm alert) let’s make it sound like that happens all the time so we can deny women reproductive freedom
So you are concerned about the LESS THAN TWO PERCENT of all abortions that ONLY occur BECAUSE of MEDICAL REASONS?
@Renee @Sallyally @Derideo_Te Is there a fetal age at which time you would declare it is no longer only a matter of a Woman's Reproductive FREEDOM - Rights? No extenuating circumstances involved. Just Rights. Speak Concisely Into The Microphone Please.
Yup! Definitely signs of frustration in evidence although the origin might stem from other causes too.
A woman's rights remain the SAME irrespective of whether or not she is pregnant. DURING pregnancy she has the absolute right to an abortion in the first two semesters. During the 3RD TRIMESTER her right to have an abortion now depends entirely upon any risk to her LIFE and/or HEALTH! If either of those are in jeopardy she has an absolute right to an abortion. This INCLUDES mental health and the RISK involved giving birth to a fetus with abnormalities. Given all of the above it is her CHOICE to make. She can CHOOSE to continue the pregnancy KNOWING the risks that she is taking up to and including DYING. Her body, her choice! No one else gets to IMPOSE their beliefs on her because no one else is in her SITUATION. You CANNOT make a compelling case to DEPRIVE her of any of these rights and no one else can either.
I wonder if wife beaters used to make the same sort of argument: "My home is my castle and what goes on in there is my business." The, "My Body My Choice" is a very poor argument. I do everything, including dreaming, thinking and breathing with my body and the government, particularly in the military, claims ownership to my body. With due process, my very life can be taken. I have some pro-choice arguments other than that one. You? I would be interested in other arguments on the topic. Your opinion is appreciated.
The "my body, my choice" is not an argument that I use a lot other than the obvious one being that you can choose to end your own life and/or cover your body in tattoos and/or have plastic surgery to the point where you resemble a reptile. The issue of being forced to put your life on the line for our country is more of a deflection IMO since there is no parallel to abortion that I am aware of. My research shows that abortion has been around as long as there has been recorded history. The bible even describes an abortion procedure which is sanctioned by the Christian deity. The English Common Law that was the primary rule of law prior to the inception of our nation allowed abortion "prior to quickening" which is more or less the same thing as was outlined in RvW. There were no laws prohibiting abortion prior to the Constitution and abortion was included in the 9th Amendment's unenumerated rights. It was only later that states attempted to ban abortions and ultimately that resulted in the RvW ruling determining that women do have a right to abortions with LIMITED protections granted to the states in the 3rd trimester. The SCOTUS made it abundantly clear that any attempt to overturn this right must meet the "strict scrutiny" standard. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/strict_scrutiny The Al Ab Ama law does not meet any of those criteria since it is far reaching and does not show any "compelling governmental interest" at all. Without overturning RvW abortion will remain legal. Even if was overturned the states can pass laws making it legal which would effectively negate the laws banning it since Americans have the right to travel. A law that cannot be enforced makes a mockery of the rule of law. This just leaves the "morality" aspect which is highly suspect since all laws that were based upon morality in the past have been overturned with the exception of the failed war on drugs. That too is unlikely to survive given the legalization of marijuana in multiple states and other nations around the world. There is also the argument that it is immoral to force a woman to bear an unwanted child at the risk of her own life and/or health. The morality aspect is DOA as far I am concerned. Choice allows those who are opposed to abortions to not have any while allowing those who need them to exercise their rights. It is the sane and rational argument and going down the rabbit hole of granting the fetus "rights" results in all kinds of legal absurdities.
