No they demand an investigation by peopke not willing to believe anything that pretends to support their position. Remember Bridey Murphey
if there's an afterlife, there must also be a beforelife, as well as, a currentlife... it'd be kool if we could flip between them at will...
This question does not seem relevant to the issues at hand, but the most suitable answer that I have encountered is that the chicken (and rooster) came first because there can be no further production of chickens and eggs without them.
Presently the only known "flip" involves death and rebirth, not such a kool, convenient prospect. Note that the past life regression literature cites examples of retrieved memories of existence in between incarnations.
The retrieved memories in that case involved a lot of comingled information somewhat typical of erroneous recollections found to a much lesser degree in many impressive cases. This case lost credibility, partly because there was familiarity with an Irish neighbor instead of a match with an identifiable previous Irish incarnation. Other details were also erroneous, such as the general wooden housing construction in an area where stone construction was overwhelmingly predominate. However, as one commenter offered, there was on record a woman of the same age at time of death in that area but had a different name. A reasonable conclusion is that the psychic process involved is drawing info from multiple levels and ranges of perception and experience, especially so when such activity is not as well focused as we might expect. Another aspect that warrants awareness is in the realm of metaphysics/theosophy. When the afterlife individual departs to a higher level, a remnant shell or shadow is left behind which retains considerable functionality and can be mistaken as a departed spouse or relative. It can also be commandeered by a malicious or mischievous individual. Thus it is a potential source of disinformation, whether intentional or not. Chalk it up to dynamics of consciousness that we don't fully understand.
Something I’ve always found amazing is how those claiming to be in touch with their prior ‘incarnations’ invariably recall being and Eygptian princess, a great medieval architect, a cardinal or some other member of the elite but never a slug or a snail.
Lets make it simple. If god wanted us to believe in the afterlife it would be cery simple to provide evidence. If god wanted ir to be unknown that would be equally simple. This pretend middle ground is simply nothing but delusional thinking making evidence out of nothing.
When patients in surgery in a surgical room of a hospital die, & while out of body, visit the family waiting room in a different part of the hospital, & remember what the family members were wearing & what they were discussing among themselves to the point of being able to quote specific sentences verbatim, that's NOT oxygen deprivation, or drug effects, or the dying mind making up stuff. It's a soul outside the physical body doing the things it reports later after returning to that body. Your lack of conviction isn't for lack of evidence. It's the lack of an open mind.
You are hooked on the skeptics & naysayers, but they don't provide evidence to support their skepticisms. Neither do you. But NDEs DO PROVIDE EVIDENCE. And that evidence is abundant & still growing.
Except of course they are not actually dead. Same nonsense as NDEs which are probably valid in some cases but prove absolutly nothing about what happens after actual death. There is no, repeat no, evidence of anyone coming back from actual death.
Well I was trying to look at it from the prospective of the god believers. To me it is pretty simple. If there is a god his primary relation with mankind is it doesn't give a toot.
Some might claim Trump is Jesus opposition, if you know who I mean. But yes, his followers are deluded and Trump knows it. I’m hoping Deutsche Bank reveals his banking details before the election. It will make interesting reading for his supporters even if old comb-over claims it’s fake news.
When the heart stops beating & the brain scans show no brain activity, then medically, they are "dead." Many NDEs have hospital records that show both of these occurring for different lengths of time. The longest I've heard of was of a Russian who was dead for two days & woke up in the morgue just as they were beginning to start an autopsy. Scary. But most NDEs last from 1 to 30 minutes, with some lasting into several hours. But time doesn't exist in the spiritual world the way it does here, so many NDErs return saying they spent far longer there than the time record here would indicate. Dannion Brinkley's first two NDEs repeated -the life reviews--but added new stuff to it that he had experienced on Earth after the first NDE. The Life Review is the most powerful part of most NDEs, for they offer a perspective on one's life very different from the one we get here. I understand your skepticism. I was a skeptic for a long time myself, but I also value truth, and the evidence is compelling that the truth is that our real selves isn't the temporary physical form we inhabit during a human life span, but is an eternal soul that lives many lives in many different bodies over time. It's called reincarnation. But unlike the eastern religious teachings, the evidence available to us now indicates we have a great deal of freedom in the spirit world to select our new upcoming parents on Earth, select our body, and have a great deal to say about some of the major events that will come up in our new lives. All this will be new to you, but if you think about it, it makes far more sense than living one single life, with all its challenges, then simply dying & disappearing forever. What a waste that would be.
My post #248 above addresses this misunderstanding. Death is death, whether experienced for 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day or permanently. In an NDE, the soul goes into another reality existing in a parallel or alternative dimension, whose scientific laws are quite different from those here. You can't base the truth of its existence on its agreement with scientific laws established for our physical reality. Spiritual reality has no atomic matter in it at all. It's all energy. And, it has an ongoing, constant, complex working relationship with our physical world at all times.
