Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

Oh yes, those articles of full of information saying it's more efficient and better care.

I mean if "better care" by leftist revision means "waiting more" and "dying more".

 

You should get out more.

a new study from the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst finds that single-payer health care will save the US $5.1 trillion over a decade while drastically cutting working-class Americans’ health spending. It’s the most robust, comprehensive study yet produced on Medicare for All, which has long been in need of easily citable research.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/12/medicare-for-all-study-peri-sanders

 

All government run healthcare systems have long wait times, doctor shortages and bed shortages.

 

World Health Organization? LMFAO!

WHO is a biased left-wing organization.

 

Sure.

Just like Obamacare let you keep your provider and lowered costs as promised.

The "study" just makes a lot of assumptions.

Again, the reason health care is expensive:

1. administration - Your study simply assumes this will go down (at a loss of about a million jobs). There are no government administrative programs that have fewer employees than private sector, so this is pie in the sky hoping and wishing.
2. Drug costs - is the government taking over all the pharmaceutical companies?
3. Defensive medicine - will you no longer be able to sue for malpractice?
4. Comprehensive testing - will you lower the number of mammograms and MRI's by over 66%, as well as the jobs of the people who perform those functions?
5. wages - are you going to lower the wages of health care providers?
6. prestigious medical care - Do you plan on making the best doctors work for the same cost as the worst doctors?

 

And more deaths.

 

If it would kill a million jobs as you claim, it is a whole lot more efficient.

The CMS employs over 6,000 people, of whom about 4,000 are located at its headquarters in Woodlawn, Maryland. The remaining employees are located in the Hubert H. Humphrey Building in Washington, D.C., the 10 regional offices listed below, and in various field offices located throughout the United States.

The head of the CMS is the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. The position is appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.[3] Seema Verma has been confirmed by the US Senate as Administrator of CMS, a top healthcare position in the Trump administration.[4]

2. Drug costs - is the government taking over all the pharmaceutical companies?
No
3. Defensive medicine - will you no longer be able to sue for malpractice?
No, you still can
4. Comprehensive testing - will you lower the number of mammograms and MRI's by over 66%, as well as the jobs of the people who perform those functions?
I don't think so. Did someone tell you that?
5. wages - are you going to lower the wages of health care providers?
Some. Yep.
6. prestigious medical care - Do you plan on making the best doctors work for the same cost as the worst doctors?[/QUOTE]
I don't see any reason to limit it if you want to pay for it.

You kind of did a pirouette there. Are you okay with the savings?

 

I don't see any reason to limit it if you want to pay for it.

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1. I'll believe the government having a smaller admin department when I see it, and I've never seen it before.
2. Then drug costs will be the same as they are now
3. Great. I can't wait to sue the US government for botching my healthcare. That'll work great I'm sure.
4. This is a high cost factor. In the US, fewer people die because more exams are done. That's why the cancer survival rate in the US is 90%. In the UK it's 78%. So cheaper, we'll just die more.
5. Great. I look forward to the lower quality of doctors.
6. Great. So we'll have a bigger gap in the system where we have the plebe health care system, and the ultra rich health care system. At least those doctors from step 5 can go to work for the companies in step 6.

 

1. I'll believe the government having a smaller admin department when I see it, and I've never seen it before.
It's not hard to figure out. Every major insurance company has a CEO making millions and a staff to go with him. The HHS Secretary makes 90K.
2. Then drug costs will be the same as they are now
Yep. For a while.
3. Great. I can't wait to sue the US government for botching my healthcare. That'll work great I'm sure.
The gov't is an insurance company in this case. It's doctors that botch healthcare.

4. This is a high cost factor. In the US, fewer people die because more exams are done. That's why the cancer survival rate in the US is 90%. In the UK it's 78%. So cheaper, we'll just die more.
That's nice, but those countries with gov't healthcare live longer overall.
But I'll give you extra credit for finding the one where we do better. See below.
5. Great. I look forward to the lower quality of doctors.
What makes you think they will be lower quality?
6. Great. So we'll have a bigger gap in the system where we have the plebe health care system, and the ultra rich health care system. At least those doctors from step 5 can go to work for the companies in step 6.[/QUOTE]
Okay by me.

 

Okay by me.

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1. sure. Does private insurance have 98 billion in fraud every year like government health care currently does?

2. For always, unless you can tell me how it will magically go lower. You don't need single payer to lower drug costs, since last year the Trump admin was able to drop drug costs for the first time in almost 50 years.

3. Socialized medicine will lead to the collapse of private hospitals. They'll end up being government employees.

4. They don't live longer because of socialized medicine. They live longer because of our higher rates of accidental and intentional deaths. Primarily drug usage.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/health/american-life-expectancy-shorter-than-europeans/index.html

5. I'm sure lowering their wages won't affect their quality at all.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ortages-hospital-ward-shortages-a8172821.html

6. Yes socialists yearn for the equality of misery for all except their overlords.

 

Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans
I was laughing when I got to the third word on the Topic...

 

Okay by me.

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What do you expect when you have tens of thousands of diseased third world illegals coming over the border?

 

It’s an empirical fact. I know how badly you righties hate facts.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

No they don’t. But we are talking about single payer, not government run healthcare.

 

Baseless denials and hand waiving won’t make the empirical evidence go away.

 

Let us know when you develop a time machine so we can go back to 1993-1997 when the data was taken.

 

Yes they do.

Single payer is government run healthcare...

 

Not baseless. Factual...

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whom-are-they-kidding

 

Because there are always people who regard themselves as 'too special' for the public system.

 

You bet it is! And by a massive margin. If my family were to buy private health insurance for five, it would cost us something insane like $500 a month. Under public health we pay probably $50 a month, at best.

 

Because it actually is, in the countries who've been doing it for a long time. Including mine. And we have better health outcomes. Check the stats, Dear

Seriously, not sure of the economics behind it, but it does crunch out cheaper, and is more dependable and standardised.

 

The Govt doesn't 'run healthcare' in the way you seem to be saying here, V. Yes, we have a good network of large public hospitals, and those who work in them are a combination of govt employees and consultants. But everything outside of those public hospitals runs and operatives just as any other private enterprise. GPs, specialists, private hospitals, allied health fields, dentists, etc etc are all private businesses/pratitioners.

 

I don't remember where you're from, sorry. The problem with socializing anything in the US is these people have lost their damn minds and want to fully insure anyone who illegally crosses the border.

That's a million more people per year just illegally entering, not to mention all the actual refugees and legal immigrants.

 

Do you have upwards of 20 million illegal aliens, a huge number of people on welfare, an opioid epidemic and millions more coming in every year?

Socialist nets only work in small, homogeneous countries.

Socialized medicine all across Europe is failing due to becoming "America-lite" on immigration.

 

You'd pay $50 a month for cancer treatments or a hip replacement?