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Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    We HAVE a system like that - Medicare. We don't have to guess at this!!

    I've never heard of anyone complaining about the private insurance people can buy in order to cover stuff Medicare doesn't cover.

    So, I don't see any validity in what you're saying about buying privated insurance to extend a single payer system.
     
    WillReadmore, Jun 23, 2019
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    Yes they ARE competing with 'free'. You underestimate how many people are more concerned about having a private hospital room, than their wallet. You also underestimate just how many 'vanity healthcare' shoppers there are out there .. constantly seeking out the latest alternative therapy, or a nice back rub from their good looking physiotherapist. And then there are those who want dental covered, or podiatry, or optometry, etc etc etc.
     
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  3. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Only in certain situations (specialists and some GPs). For hospital stays and treatment, and probably 50% of GPs, it's 100%. Then again, I'm not in Canada or America. Might be different there.
     
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  4. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    A single payer system is government run.

    I don’t understand why you intentionally insist on being wrong.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jun 23, 2019
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    This the first I hear of "free" Medicare for all. The left is not calling for free anything, except maybe Sanders. Medicare is not free.
    Money is taken from paychecks for Medicare and when you retire, Medicare cost is deducted from your soc security check. The cost across the board may have to be increased to pay for it. It is an excellent medical plan and well oiled to run smoothly. Physicians know what Medicare will pay for and this makes life much easier for everybody. It is already in place and doesn't need tweaking like the AFA
    needed.
     
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  7. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    ...Are you calling single payer government run because the government would be one of the entities paying for peoples Medical bills from privately operated health facility's?

    Or do you believe medicare, and single payer systems operate like our VA health system..Where the government builds, maintains, and staffs, and controls those facility's?

    Where are you lost?

    By your logic it seems you believe anyone who contracts for a government agency is defined as government run...And that's not too smart.
    Is Bowing, or Lockheed-martin government run? Amtrack, Fedexpress, and UPS, Amazon, Google, etc etc.?
     
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  8. rahl

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    Proven false.
     
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  9. MolonLabe2009

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    Proven correct countless times with the numerous links I've posted and you ignored.
     
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  10. rahl

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    Nope. The definition of single payer proves your bullshit wrong. Single payer is not, in any way shape or form, government run healthcare. You remain entirely proven wrong.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Single payer is government run because it's the government that sets the fricking rules (taxes and regulations) for the whole system to work.
     
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    The left-wingers always say free healthcare, and free college.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Yep. Single payer is government run.
     
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    By definition, it is not. As you’ve been shown.
     
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    So Insurance is government run, banks, oil companys, etc because they set rules and regulations for the whole system to work?

    Nah, I dont think so.

    Grocery stores are not government run because they accept EBT. Does Wegmans, or any other highend Grocery chain follow any other standard aside from OSHA?, Id say they follow a better standard, Just because they accept EBT does not make them government regulated nor influenced.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Single payer is government run. Educate yourself...
     
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    dunning kruger. Some people just KNOW what it's really all about and no amount of actual facts can deter them from the alternative ones they use to justify their "informed" opinion.
     
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  19. rahl

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    By definition, it is not. That won’t stop being true no matter how many times you insist on being wrong. Nor how many right wing trash blogs you quote from.
     
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    It’s intentional stupidity at this point.
     
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    See post #417.
     
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  22. Vernan89188

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    Yep all of that is pretty much the same as our EBT, or food stamp system we have in place..The goverment is the sole provider of those funds, its regulated by them, and controlled on what it can be used for.
    So, are grocery stores now Government controlled because they accept EBT?

    Single payer would be the same thing..People get a medical card, that private hospitals either accept, or dont.
    The government would have nothing what so ever to do with what procedures your doctor decided are best to drain from your wallet if he chooses not to accept that card..
     
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    I thought that the subject is Medicare for everybody.
     
    ibobbrob, Jun 24, 2019
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  24. fmw

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    Part A, hospitalization coverage covers 100% but has a deductible of $300 per week up to 3 weeks.
     
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